The fact is that the Tory party disgusts you full stop, so the passive aggressive points made above betray a greater, anti-Tory, agenda.

You are partisan and are attempting to use what you portray as a reasoned assessment to bring people to your view that Brexit should be stopped at all costs.

I would have more respect for you if you admitted that.

The fact is that the Tory party disgusts you full stop, so the passive aggressive points made above betray a greater, anti-Tory, agenda.

You are partisan and are attempting to use what you portray as a reasoned assessment to bring people to your view that Brexit should be stopped at all costs.

I would have more respect for you if you admitted that.

Thank you for addressing none of the actual points.

The Tories have been an abysmal government for the last few years that is true and their handling of Brexit from start to finish has been the crowning turd in the waterpipe.

However the points I was making are no less true. The electoral maths is not there for a hard brexit and May has still, 20 months on, not stated what government policy actually is, and is constantly having to deal with ministers from Remain and Leave sides of the fence making conflicting statements.

I've merely pointed out the fundamental flaws that have made this process so inefficient and divisive and continue to create uncertainty and rifts within the government. The leaks this week saw government ministers stand up and attack their own forecasts and departments. You couldn't make it up.

My point is that the Tories should get rid of May now as she's not up to the job, go back to the drawing board, come up with one Brexit plan (hard Brexit) and then put it to a vote with the other option being no Brexit. Either have that in the commons (they will lose) or at a referendum/GE (they may well win). If they don't do that we will be in for another year of farce and inertia, lurching towards some pastiche of in/out uncertainty with arguments continuing. Even Farage has said he's coming round to this idea.

I can't believe you thing May is doing a good job and should continue, or that Brexit has been handled well. I can't believe that you don't see the issues created by the flawed referendum and the waste of time arguing over soft/hard Brexit. I can't believe you don't see how this issue is compounded by the lack of a majority in parliament for hard Brexit. If you do see those issues and think May should go then what would your solution be?

I'm just trying to point out a sensible solution to get to either of the two sensible solutions. As things stand that won't happen and that's thanks to May and her party.

Thank you for addressing none of the actual points.

The Tories have been an abysmal government for the last few years that is true and their handling of Brexit from start to finish has been the crowning turd in the waterpipe.

However the points I was making are no less true. The electoral maths is not there for a hard brexit and May has still, 20 months on, not stated what government policy actually is, and is constantly having to deal with ministers from Remain and Leave sides of the fence making conflicting statements.

I've merely pointed out the fundamental flaws that have made this process so inefficient and divisive and continue to create uncertainty and rifts within the government. The leaks this week saw government ministers stand up and attack their own forecasts and departments. You couldn't make it up.

My point is that the Tories should get rid of May now as she's not up to the job, go back to the drawing board, come up with one Brexit plan (hard Brexit) and then put it to a vote with the other option being no Brexit. Either have that in the commons (they will lose) or at a referendum/GE (they may well win). If they don't do that we will be in for another year of farce and inertia, lurching towards some pastiche of in/out uncertainty with arguments continuing. Even Farage has said he's coming round to this idea.

I can't believe you thing May is doing a good job and should continue, or that Brexit has been handled well. I can't believe that you don't see the issues created by the flawed referendum and the waste of time arguing over soft/hard Brexit. I can't believe you don't see how this issue is compounded by the lack of a majority in parliament for hard Brexit. If you do see those issues and think May should go then what would your solution be?

I'm just trying to point out a sensible solution to get to either of the two sensible solutions. As things stand that won't happen and that's thanks to May and her party.

But you are asking the impossible.

It would be no different under Labour, there is a huge split there and Jezza wants out, as that has been one of his per subjects since the ‘70s and he knows that his nationalisation programme would be illegal u der EU law.

This is a highly divisive issue that cuts across not just parties, ideologies but also families.

The referendum wasn’t flawed, if Remain had won you would have said it was perfectly ok. The issue is that this is complicated and people like yourself demand the impossible - effective negotiation, non divided parties and total openness of government intent, against a backdrop of an unwilling and mischievous opposite negotiating party.

You need to re-appraise in your brain the real politik of the situation.

I wonder if Her Majesty's Principal Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union thinks the referendum was flawed or has he changed his mind since 2002. Extract from Hansard attached.