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matt_himself Matataland 29 Jan 18 7.01pm | |
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Originally posted by pefwin
Was he talking QE, it did not make much sense. You have to back your assertion about Leave campaign saying it would ‘get rid of foreigners’. Or did you make that up?
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Stuk Top half 29 Jan 18 7.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
It works perfectly fine for customs checks between Sweden (EU) and Norway (non EU). Frictionless borders: learning from Norway [Link] And they, like us, had their travel agreement in place long before the EU did.
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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 29 Jan 18 9.18pm | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
You have to back your assertion about Leave campaign saying it would ‘get rid of foreigners’. Or did you make that up? It's just another accusation tossed around by condescending buffoons who can't accept that people can actually think for themselves.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 30 Jan 18 5.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
It works perfectly fine for customs checks between Sweden (EU) and Norway (non EU). Frictionless borders: learning from Norway [Link]
Don't forget Norway is a member of EFTA and the EEA and so is in the single market and has to agree to harmonise regulation with the EU and implement lots of EU law. It also has physical infrastructure at border crossings, such as electronic number plate recognition cameras, which is something the government has said they don't want.
Edited by CambridgeEagle (30 Jan 2018 5.27pm)
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 30 Jan 18 5.58pm | |
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Lord Bridges of Headley’s speech in the Lords (former Brexit minister):
Four months on, and there are still no clear answers to these basic, critical questions. All we hear, day after day, are conflicting, confusing voices. If this continues, and ministers cannot agree among themselves on the future relationship the Government wants, how can this prime minister possibly negotiate a clear, precise heads of terms for the future relationship with the EU? My fear is that we will get meaningless waffle in a political declaration in October. The implementation period will not be a bridge to a clear destination. It will be a gang plank into thin air. The EU will have the initiative in the second stage of the negotiations and we shall find ourselves forced to accept a deal that gives us access to EU markets, but without UK politicians having a meaningful say over swathes of legislation and regulation. Some may say this outcome would not be the end of the world. Some may say it’s inevitable. My point today is this. At this pivotal moment in our history, we cannot, we must not, indulge in that very British habit of just muddling through. With under 300 working days until we leave the European Union, we need to know the government’s answers to these simple questions. The government must be honest with themselves and the public about the choices we face. And then the Prime Minister and her cabinet must make those choices. As has been said, to govern is to choose, and as we face the biggest challenge this country has faced since the Second World War, keeping every option open is no longer an option."
The lack of skill with which the government put together the withdrawal bill also means it's not fit for purpose and so this makes the situation even worse and less clear as it will be ripped to shreds in the Lords. Add to this courts finding against the government on 2 completely separate issues (to add to a litany of other issues on which this government has wasted tax payers money trying to fight and appeal in the courts), and you get a picture of a government in paralysis and riddled with incompetence and a lack of ideas, ruining any possible chance that Brexit could have been a success. Time for May to go and she should take the rest of the cabinet with her.
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.TUX. 30 Jan 18 7.00pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
It isn't, and that's the problem. Continually propping up economies with QE (debt that will have to be repaid by the masses) is the equivalent of any one of us 'spanking the plastic' just to maintain, NOT EVEN GROW, a certain lifestyle. It really is simple as that.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 30 Jan 18 10.46pm | |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
It isn't, and that's the problem. Continually propping up economies with QE (debt that will have to be repaid by the masses) is the equivalent of any one of us 'spanking the plastic' just to maintain, NOT EVEN GROW, a certain lifestyle. It really is simple as that.
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.TUX. 31 Jan 18 8.24am | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
It's legalised fraud. US debt has grown 8x faster than GDP this century. I imaging the rest of the world is (in the main) similar.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 31 Jan 18 9.11am | |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
It's legalised fraud. US debt has grown 8x faster than GDP this century. I imaging the rest of the world is (in the main) similar.
I agree to an extent that debt is a problem and QE has been a really unfairly managed policy. In and of itself though, monetary policy is just another policy tool available to central banks. It can be used to invest in infrastructure etc. but instead it's used to prop up asset prices and so has no real economic benefit, other than keeping the wolf from the door. Debt can be a force for good, if used to stimulate growth and increases in productivity and living standards. If returns from debt financing outweigh the cost of debt the debt's share of GDP falls and there is a net benefit. It requires good fiscal policy though, something we've not had for 7 years. The US have done a lot better thanks to Obama's stimulus program.
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.TUX. 01 Feb 18 8.53pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
I agree to an extent that debt is a problem and QE has been a really unfairly managed policy. In and of itself though, monetary policy is just another policy tool available to central banks. It can be used to invest in infrastructure etc. but instead it's used to prop up asset prices and so has no real economic benefit, other than keeping the wolf from the door. Debt can be a force for good, if used to stimulate growth and increases in productivity and living standards. If returns from debt financing outweigh the cost of debt the debt's share of GDP falls and there is a net benefit. It requires good fiscal policy though, something we've not had for 7 years. The US have done a lot better thanks to Obama's stimulus program. As with every POTUS before him, Obama 'stimulised' diddly. Money printed from thin-air and thrown by the barrel load to Wall Street is irrelevant. It's a casino.
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matt_himself Matataland 01 Feb 18 9.10pm | |
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The longer this goes on, the more convinced I am that we should offer no deal and walk. They need us and our cash a whole lot more than we are told we need them. No being a vassal state and yes to being a free, sovereign nation.
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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 01 Feb 18 10.58pm | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
The longer this goes on, the more convinced I am that we should offer no deal and walk. They need us and our cash a whole lot more than we are told we need them. No being a vassal state and yes to being a free, sovereign nation. No deal is increasingly looking like the best deal.
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