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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 10 Jun 23 4.26pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

You have proved my point, your posts are liberally littered with opinions you discuss as facts.

Going forward I shall point them put to you so you understand what is going on.

For example

London is a capital city - fact

Trump is evil - not a fact

I assume you get the general idea

If that was your point it was well disguised!

I express strong opinions, but almost everything posted here is no more than that. Incontrovertible facts are rare beasts.

I think many things Trump did were evil, but that can only ever be an opinion no matter how widely shared. Is Trump himself evil? No. I think he is wrong, and probably suffers from some kind of undiagnosed condition that convinces him he has a superior intellect. I feel sorry for him.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 10 Jun 23 4.30pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

What is a fact? Who decides what a fact is? Is it only a fact if it meets a certain agenda?

My friend at ChatCGT defines it thus:-

A fact is a statement or piece of information that is verifiably true and can be supported by evidence or objective proof. Facts are objective and independent of personal opinions or beliefs. They are based on observations, data, research, or universally accepted truths.

Here are a few examples of factual statements:

The Earth revolves around the Sun.
Water boils at 100 degrees Celsius (212 degrees Fahrenheit) at sea level.
The capital of France is Paris.
The chemical formula for water is H2O.
The Great Wall of China is the largest man-made structure on Earth.
These statements are considered facts because they can be empirically verified and are widely accepted within the realms of scientific knowledge, historical records, or general consensus. It's important to note that new evidence or discoveries can sometimes challenge or refine existing facts, as scientific knowledge evolves over time.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 10 Jun 23 5.06pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

My friend at ChatCGT defines it thus:-

A fact is a statement or piece of information that is verifiably true and can be supported by evidence or objective proof. Facts are objective and independent of personal opinions or beliefs. They are based on observations, data, research, or universally accepted truths.

Here are a few examples of factual statements:

The Earth revolves around the Sun.
Water boils at 100 degrees Celsius (212 degrees Fahrenheit) at sea level.
The capital of France is Paris.
The chemical formula for water is H2O.
The Great Wall of China is the largest man-made structure on Earth.
These statements are considered facts because they can be empirically verified and are widely accepted within the realms of scientific knowledge, historical records, or general consensus. It's important to note that new evidence or discoveries can sometimes challenge or refine existing facts, as scientific knowledge evolves over time.

I thought that title went to your posts on Coronavirus?

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 10 Jun 23 5.23pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We'll see!

I have no doubt we would have learned what the worst side effects were and take steps to avoid, or mitigate them, but the basic consideration would still apply. Which is the least bad outcome? When everything is bad it's pointless to complain that the one chosen has had negative impacts. We always knew it would, but thought the other choices were even worse.

Negative impacts? There's a difference between tens of thousands of children starving to death and people having zoom meetings and ordering pizzas.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 10 Jun 23 7.16pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Negative impacts? There's a difference between tens of thousands of children starving to death and people having zoom meetings and ordering pizzas.

Who said there isn’t?

Some impacts are very serious and some little more than cosmetic.

Should we not have locked down there were forecasts much worse than tens of thousands of deaths.

No strategy was going to avoid huge problems. Complaining about the one used when the modelling indicated it was the least bad choice is easy, lazy and pointless.

 


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eaglesdare Flag 10 Jun 23 7.33pm Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

My friend at ChatCGT defines it thus:-

A fact is a statement or piece of information that is verifiably true and can be supported by evidence or objective proof. Facts are objective and independent of personal opinions or beliefs. They are based on observations, data, research, or universally accepted truths.

Here are a few examples of factual statements:

The Earth revolves around the Sun.
Water boils at 100 degrees Celsius (212 degrees Fahrenheit) at sea level.
The capital of France is Paris.
The chemical formula for water is H2O.
The Great Wall of China is the largest man-made structure on Earth.
These statements are considered facts because they can be empirically verified and are widely accepted within the realms of scientific knowledge, historical records, or general consensus. It's important to note that new evidence or discoveries can sometimes challenge or refine existing facts, as scientific knowledge evolves over time.


Let me rephrase.....what is a fact in terms of covid? Is it only a fact if it meets a certain agenda?

Sleepy joe stated when you get the covid vaccine it does not transmit the virus. This was a "fact" at the time but since proven false.

These days a fact is only a fact when it meets a certain agenda.

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 10 Jun 23 7.43pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Who said there isn’t?

Some impacts are very serious and some little more than cosmetic.

Should we not have locked down there were forecasts much worse than tens of thousands of deaths.

No strategy was going to avoid huge problems. Complaining about the one used when the modelling indicated it was the least bad choice is easy, lazy and pointless.

And the forecasts were wrong. Claiming that a response geared to a worst case scenario was the best available is easy, lazy, pointless and cowardly.

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Stirlingsays Flag 10 Jun 23 7.46pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

Let me rephrase.....what is a fact in terms of covid? Is it only a fact if it meets a certain agenda?

Sleepy joe stated when you get the covid vaccine it does not transmit the virus. This was a "fact" at the time but since proven false.

These days a fact is only a fact when it meets a certain agenda.

Zombie Joe said taking the vaccine was a way of stopping transmission, misinformation right from the top. He said, words to the effect, that if you didn't take the vaccine you were likely to die.

Now lots of people have died, since this virus turned up, both vaccined and unvaccinated and from the consequences of lockdowns or whatever it is. So I don't speak for others but personally I've never been fitter.

My personal observation is that a lot depended upon your weight and the natural robustness of your health.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 10 Jun 23 8.54pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare


Let me rephrase.....what is a fact in terms of covid? Is it only a fact if it meets a certain agenda?

Sleepy joe stated when you get the covid vaccine it does not transmit the virus. This was a "fact" at the time but since proven false.

These days a fact is only a fact when it meets a certain agenda.

It seems you missed the bit about new evidence!

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 10 Jun 23 9.02pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Zombie Joe said taking the vaccine was a way of stopping transmission, misinformation right from the top. He said, words to the effect, that if you didn't take the vaccine you were likely to die.

Now lots of people have died, since this virus turned up, both vaccined and unvaccinated and from the consequences of lockdowns or whatever it is. So I don't speak for others but personally I've never been fitter.

My personal observation is that a lot depended upon your weight and the natural robustness of your health.

New variants were more transmissible but the vaccines continue to play a vital role. Those that seek to frame everything in the context of outdated science are always destined to look foolish. Knowledge never ceases to be updated and improved but we can only ever make decisions on what we know when we know it.

People used to think the earth was flat. Some still do. Others accept that new information has resulted in a changed analysis. That’s true of many things.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 10 Jun 23 9.08pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

New variants were more transmissible but the vaccines continue to play a vital role. Those that seek to frame everything in the context of outdated science are always destined to look foolish. Knowledge never ceases to be updated and improved but we can only ever make decisions on what we know when we know it.

People used to think the earth was flat. Some still do. Others accept that new information has resulted in a changed analysis. That’s true of many things.

How about the information that COVID isn't the plague we were told it was?

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 10 Jun 23 9.09pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

And the forecasts were wrong. Claiming that a response geared to a worst case scenario was the best available is easy, lazy, pointless and cowardly.

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That’s where the laziness lies. In the link. Ferguson did not predict that at all. He stated it as a worst case scenario which is very different.

Decisions weren’t taken on one man’s analysis but on the consensus view of the world’s experts.

It was determined as the best course of action in the circumstances at the time. Knowing that there would be consequences but that other options would be worse.

 


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