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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Mar 22 5.14pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I would largely agree with what you say about moustache man, though I don't really agree with the idea that using socialism doesn't make someone a socialist...I'd say it's some form of it...However, If you prefer social revolutionary I wouldn't disagree with that. Putin is an authoritarian....he's heavily into ostracizing people who disagree with his way of doing things....sounds a bit familiar if you ask me. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Mar 2022 12.56pm) It's all very familiar if you read Gab and follow the likes of Nick Fuentes and his "America First" movement. I hear many echoes of Putin's attitude there. Such people deserve to be ostracised by decent society, who have every right not to associate with them. Just as the west has decided no longer to associate with Putin. Parallels a many. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 03 Mar 22 5.14pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I would largely agree with what you say about moustache man, though I don't really agree with the idea that using socialism doesn't make someone a socialist...I'd say it's some form of it...However, If you prefer social revolutionary I wouldn't disagree with that.

Putin is an authoritarian....he's heavily into ostracizing people who disagree with his way of doing things....sounds a bit familiar if you ask me.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Mar 2022 12.56pm)

It's all very familiar if you read Gab and follow the likes of Nick Fuentes and his "America First" movement. I hear many echoes of Putin's attitude there. Such people deserve to be ostracised by decent society, who have every right not to associate with them. Just as the west has decided no longer to associate with Putin. Parallels a many.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 03 Mar 22 5.16pm
Originally posted by cryrst Tbh Stirling I don't get it either but that's expected Just watching a program about ww2 where Ukraine is an actual country separate from Russia, on the map anyway. 7 million Jews but how many murdered is unknown. The bread basket of Europe as it was then and still is/was now. Maybe its all about the money! Parts of Ukraine was essentially parts of Slavic and Turkish empires until the Soviets quickly took it from them following the revolution. There having been Russians in the east for centuries. The Soviets starved the Ukrainians in the Holodomor...which is the genocide from WW2 that not many seem to know about. It's hard to be certain about the figures but it's thought to be in the millions....With the Holocaust, the figure you always hear is six million. When I looked into it I came to the conclusion it was somewhere between four and seven.....non biased research on it is harder to find than you'd think. Yep, Ukraine is pretty important bread basket wise.....Cryrst this whole thing is one giant incompetent feck up of immense proportions. It never ceases to amaze me how the elites responsible get to swan along without paying for their total ineptitude. You can only conclude that the meritocracy values that most live by don't really apply to them.....when you're in the club that gets to judge itself that's probably not surprising......At least when there were Kings we could point at the guy where the buck stopped. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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03 Mar 22 5.16pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Tbh Stirling I don't get it either but that's expected
Just watching a program about ww2 where Ukraine is an actual country separate from Russia, on the map anyway. 7 million Jews but how many murdered is unknown. The bread basket of Europe as it was then and still is/was now. Maybe its all about the money!

Parts of Ukraine was essentially parts of Slavic and Turkish empires until the Soviets quickly took it from them following the revolution. There having been Russians in the east for centuries.

The Soviets starved the Ukrainians in the Holodomor...which is the genocide from WW2 that not many seem to know about. It's hard to be certain about the figures but it's thought to be in the millions....With the Holocaust, the figure you always hear is six million. When I looked into it I came to the conclusion it was somewhere between four and seven.....non biased research on it is harder to find than you'd think.

Yep, Ukraine is pretty important bread basket wise.....Cryrst this whole thing is one giant incompetent feck up of immense proportions. It never ceases to amaze me how the elites responsible get to swan along without paying for their total ineptitude.

You can only conclude that the meritocracy values that most live by don't really apply to them.....when you're in the club that gets to judge itself that's probably not surprising......At least when there were Kings we could point at the guy where the buck stopped.

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steeleye20 Croydon 03 Mar 22 5.16pm
It's the EU sanctions that have currently shut down RT as the UK version receives via satellite from Luxemburg. 'brexit means brexit'. I am watching Putin's latest diatribe on the RT player though, it is live.
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Croydon 03 Mar 22 5.16pm

It's the EU sanctions that have currently shut down RT as the UK version receives via satellite from Luxemburg.

'brexit means brexit'.

I am watching Putin's latest diatribe on the RT player though, it is live.

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Stirlingsays 03 Mar 22 5.22pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It's all very familiar if you read Gab and follow the likes of Nick Fuentes and his "America First" movement. I hear many echoes of Putin's attitude there. Such people deserve to be ostracised by decent society, who have every right not to associate with them. Just as the west has decided no longer to associate with Putin. Parallels a many. Well, you're no better then. You do the same thing and justify that just like they do. Regardless there's you Waffling away about Nick Fuentes again. Fuentes has no power. Look maybe when Fuentes is even a little close to gaining power then you complaining might have even the tiniest bit of relevance. Even then I'd disagree with your support for censorship....that actually creates worst situations. As it is the people in power currently royally fecking things up come with your apparent seal of approval. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Mar 2022 5.23pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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03 Mar 22 5.22pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Well, you're no better then. You do the same thing and justify that just like they do.

Regardless there's you Waffling away about Nick Fuentes again.

Fuentes has no power.

Look maybe when Fuentes is even a little close to gaining power then you complaining might have even the tiniest bit of relevance. Even then I'd disagree with your support for censorship....that actually creates worst situations.

As it is the people in power currently royally fecking things up come with your apparent seal of approval.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Mar 2022 5.23pm)

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Stirlingsays 03 Mar 22 5.32pm
Originally posted by kevlee What has been talked about is what Putin was hoping to achive, i.e. occupation / a puppet government with buffer zone, with the western allies giving in, and Putin having "worked a blinder" to cheering adulation. However, ...that doesnt seem to be happening does it? He is isolating his country and taking it down a road of economic crisis through sanctions. I was going to have a look at RT again to widen my new sources but its been shut down. We talked about the economic options for Russia as well. I haven't read much 'cheering' myself. However, it's definitely going to hit them hard in the short and mid term as it's going to hit us hard also.....poor people are going to suffer on both sides. However, personally I don't see that working as a tactic, in fact it's just going to solidify attitudes if it continues....and due to economic pressures on both sides I don't see it continuing past a year or two personally....maybe I'm wrong but I see the world far more cynically than some. This 'isolation' that you talk about seems to just omit the BRIC countries...plus the middle east and various others....There's a lot of talk but not a lot that wants to talk about demand and supply. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Mar 2022 5.33pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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03 Mar 22 5.32pm

Originally posted by kevlee

What has been talked about is what Putin was hoping to achive, i.e.
occupation / a puppet government with buffer zone, with the western allies giving in, and Putin having "worked a blinder" to cheering adulation.
However, ...that doesnt seem to be happening does it? He is isolating his country and taking it down a road of economic crisis through sanctions.
I was going to have a look at RT again to widen my new sources but its been shut down.

We talked about the economic options for Russia as well.

I haven't read much 'cheering' myself.

However, it's definitely going to hit them hard in the short and mid term as it's going to hit us hard also.....poor people are going to suffer on both sides.

However, personally I don't see that working as a tactic, in fact it's just going to solidify attitudes if it continues....and due to economic pressures on both sides I don't see it continuing past a year or two personally....maybe I'm wrong but I see the world far more cynically than some.

This 'isolation' that you talk about seems to just omit the BRIC countries...plus the middle east and various others....There's a lot of talk but not a lot that wants to talk about demand and supply.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Mar 2022 5.33pm)

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Ouzo Dan Behind you 03 Mar 22 5.43pm
Russian landing craft & Rocket ships filmed heading to Odesa [Link] Depending on how fierce the fighting is in Odesa the Russians may feel confident and push into Moldova or they could wait for reinforcements either way were going to have the Russians right on the border with Romania soon. A really interesting thread on twitter as to why the Russian campaign in the south is having a much better time of it compared to the North & East [Tweet Link] The mountains are calling & I must go.
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Behind you 03 Mar 22 5.43pm

Russian landing craft & Rocket ships filmed heading to Odesa
[Link]

Depending on how fierce the fighting is in Odesa the Russians may feel confident and push into Moldova or they could wait for reinforcements either way were going to have the Russians right on the border with Romania soon.

A really interesting thread on twitter as to why the Russian campaign in the south is having a much better time of it compared to the North & East

[Tweet Link]

The mountains are calling & I must go.

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 03 Mar 22 5.49pm
From BBC news website: "Russia's second-largest oil producer Lukoil is calling for an end to the conflict in Ukraine. In a statement on its website, the company said it was concerned by the "tragic events in Ukraine" and supported the negotiations to end the conflict. Its board called for "the immediate cessation of the armed conflict and fully supports its resolution through the negotiation process and through diplomatic means". The company is thought to be one of the first major Russian firms to speak out against the invasion." Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 03 Mar 22 5.49pm

From BBC news website:

"Russia's second-largest oil producer Lukoil is calling for an end to the conflict in Ukraine.

In a statement on its website, the company said it was concerned by the "tragic events in Ukraine" and supported the negotiations to end the conflict.

Its board called for "the immediate cessation of the armed conflict and fully supports its resolution through the negotiation process and through diplomatic means".

The company is thought to be one of the first major Russian firms to speak out against the invasion."

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Stirlingsays 03 Mar 22 5.58pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 From BBC news website: "Russia's second-largest oil producer Lukoil is calling for an end to the conflict in Ukraine. In a statement on its website, the company said it was concerned by the "tragic events in Ukraine" and supported the negotiations to end the conflict. Its board called for "the immediate cessation of the armed conflict and fully supports its resolution through the negotiation process and through diplomatic means". The company is thought to be one of the first major Russian firms to speak out against the invasion." Let's hope the next round of talks gets somewhere. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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03 Mar 22 5.58pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

From BBC news website:

"Russia's second-largest oil producer Lukoil is calling for an end to the conflict in Ukraine.

The company is thought to be one of the first major Russian firms to speak out against the invasion."

Let's hope the next round of talks gets somewhere.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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BlueJay UK 03 Mar 22 6.02pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 From BBC news website: "Russia's second-largest oil producer Lukoil is calling for an end to the conflict in Ukraine. In a statement on its website, the company said it was concerned by the "tragic events in Ukraine" and supported the negotiations to end the conflict. Its board called for "the immediate cessation of the armed conflict and fully supports its resolution through the negotiation process and through diplomatic means". The company is thought to be one of the first major Russian firms to speak out against the invasion." This is far more likely to get Putin's attention than his own people, so is maybe a good sign that a solution other than violence can be reached. I expect Putin hopes for a good compromise, rather than an endless war.
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UK 03 Mar 22 6.02pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

From BBC news website:

"Russia's second-largest oil producer Lukoil is calling for an end to the conflict in Ukraine.

The company is thought to be one of the first major Russian firms to speak out against the invasion."

This is far more likely to get Putin's attention than his own people, so is maybe a good sign that a solution other than violence can be reached. I expect Putin hopes for a good compromise, rather than an endless war.

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BlueJay UK 03 Mar 22 6.03pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 Boris is apparently going to paint his face blue as it will chime nicely with his yellow hair. A co-ordinated effort .
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UK 03 Mar 22 6.03pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Boris is apparently going to paint his face blue as it will chime nicely with his yellow hair.

A co-ordinated effort .

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PalazioVecchio south pole 03 Mar 22 6.20pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 It's the EU sanctions that have currently shut down RT as the UK version receives via satellite from Luxemburg. 'brexit means brexit'. I am watching Putin's latest diatribe on the RT player though, it is live. the notion of the West being the Angel and Putin being the Devil is way too simplistic. there are probably Devils on all sides. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Originally posted by steeleye20

It's the EU sanctions that have currently shut down RT as the UK version receives via satellite from Luxemburg.

'brexit means brexit'.

I am watching Putin's latest diatribe on the RT player though, it is live.

the notion of the West being the Angel and Putin being the Devil is way too simplistic.

there are probably Devils on all sides.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 03 Mar 22 6.41pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio the notion of the West being the Angel and Putin being the Devil is way too simplistic. there are probably Devils on all sides. Certainly, as there are bound to be 'Angels' on either side. Nothing's ever black and white anymore not considering barcodes, zebras, pandas etc. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 03 Mar 22 6.41pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

the notion of the West being the Angel and Putin being the Devil is way too simplistic.

there are probably Devils on all sides.

Certainly, as there are bound to be 'Angels' on either side. Nothing's ever black and white anymore not considering barcodes, zebras, pandas etc.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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