Honestly Becky, i would vote to join...i would however have to look at the figures/stats to arrive at this judgement, which i think are compelling

So can i count on all of you to vote remain then?

Indeed it matters not what the ES said, nor (evidently) the chief speechwriter for New Labour said of the policy.

All that matters is Nigel Farage repeated (almost verbatim) those same words. That then permits people like you to not only dogpile onto him, but conveniently conflate "diversity" with "there is a black women sat next to you".

This is exactly why Labour was, and remains fcuked. Election results have demonstrated they have alienated their core vote, and the North are abandoning Labour in droves. Who needs to shoot off your foot, when you've stepped on a landmine.

Finally, to the point. I've not watched a single debate in this run up, where remain have been polled as winning it. Point me to some - I've been disappointed with their level of debate this far, as have the audience. Is the Mirror debate online in full yet? To the chagrin of the Mirror it was polled as a leave victory, but presumably under a somewhat select audience. I would be really interested to see the Remain argument put forward in debate well enough that it had swayed the audience. If you know of one, link appreciated.

We can dismiss all the economists, imf, BofE, OECD forecasts as 'guesses' and just stick our fingers in our ears but surely this is like Nero playing the fiddle while Rome burns. I promise you, if all of the above concluded that we would be better off in the event if brexit, i would vote to leave.
Re the debt figure. Currently its 6% of public spending. The forecasts (which is what the financial markets work around) suggest that gdp would be reduced, sterling would decline especially versus the dollar. What do you think will happen at the next treasury auction? If you have worked in the same bond markets as i have you would surely agree that a less favourable economic outlook would require higher yields .i.e what we have to pay to the bondholders for lending us money would go up. With this rising and the amount available for other public services reducing due to a reduced gdp, the % of public expenditure going to service debt would logically rise.

I dont think its me thats re-writing history Hoof, the truth is the BofE never supported euro entry, the treasury remained largely silent and put the case for both sides, the IMF remained independent and the politicians (pm and chancellor) said it it would only be considered if 5 economic conditions were met....thats what happened but like i say its irrelevant to this debate, we are not, and were never even close to joining the euro..and we will retain for the long term our own monetary policy...its like saying no-one should ever vote conservative because the considered the poll tax, its simply irrelevant