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 PalazioVecchio  south pole 06 May 24 11.40am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
On the BBS they are gloating that the racist Britain First candidate (their words) only got 0.8% of the vote. Next time the left start on about the rise and threat from the far right, remind them of that. I have said this many times, in this country we do not vote for extreme far right candidates. correct. However, we never voted for the Far Left and yet we (UK & Ireland) are getting it in bucketLoads. - refugees welcome here - anti Christian policing , political policing. - Cultural Marxism in our media - white shame, white privilege guilt, Edited by PalazioVecchio (06 May 2024 12.17pm) Edited by PalazioVecchio (06 May 2024 12.25pm)
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 May 24 11.58am |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
correct. However, we never voted for the Far Left and yet we are getting it in bucketLoads. - refugees welcome here etc etc. In all fairness to the Irish voting system, we don't get who we vote for. The parties more decide that amongst themselves. One wonders why bother with the elections? Just let the politicians sort it out and cut out the middle man. Our media constantly gave out about unelected PM in the UK but not a word about our current and previous being the same. In fact, it's usually like that here.
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Matov  06 May 24 1.53pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
In all fairness to the Irish voting system, we don't get who we vote for. The parties more decide that amongst themselves. One wonders why bother with the elections? Just let the politicians sort it out and cut out the middle man. Our media constantly gave out about unelected PM in the UK but not a word about our current and previous being the same. In fact, it's usually like that here.
If you are trying to fight somebody who is allowed to start by putting you in a choke-hold then you cannot fight by their rules. A solution will emerge. Not sure when, and I suspect it will not be in my lifetime but the battle now is to convince as many people as possible that the Uni-Party is just a fact of life as things stand and that what matters above all else is refusing to try and stand aside from the game as much as possible.
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| ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 May 24 5.09pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
If you are trying to fight somebody who is allowed to start by putting you in a choke-hold then you cannot fight by their rules. A solution will emerge. Not sure when, and I suspect it will not be in my lifetime but the battle now is to convince as many people as possible that the Uni-Party is just a fact of life as things stand and that what matters above all else is refusing to try and stand aside from the game as much as possible. In Ireland the voting system is set up so that there's no majority. Then you get parties negotiating between each other to form a government. They pick all of the positions including Taoiseach so that the public vote only really gets represented in how much percentage a party can bring to the table. Add in the complicated transfer of votes and massive over representation (I have five TDs in an area of not even 100,000 people (MPs to you) and there is very little that voting even does. The parties manipulate the transfers to get who they want in. Varadkar was a prime example of this. So are all of the idiots that no one voted for, or wanted. Even the most incompetent and unpopular -currently McEntee - get "voted" in this way. You can literally vote for a candidate yet they can give their votes to someone different so how is the voter supposed to control that? You'd need to study the voting system for years to even understand. I hope I've summed it up correctly.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 06 May 24 11.46pm |
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I am now in favour of PR in UK elections, something has to be done to break the cycle we have. It is not fair that millions of people have their vote negated in a general election because of where they live. No overall majority would force compromise
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cryrst  The garden of England 07 May 24 6.05am |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
I am now in favour of PR in UK elections, something has to be done to break the cycle we have. It is not fair that millions of people have their vote negated in a general election because of where they live. No overall majority would force compromise What is this strange word ‘fair’ that you use in a sentence about politics ?
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 georgenorman 07 May 24 7.37am |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
I am now in favour of PR in UK elections, something has to be done to break the cycle we have. It is not fair that millions of people have their vote negated in a general election because of where they live. No overall majority would force compromise The problems with PR are that you get weak government and give a degree of power to extremist parties like the Greens and Galloway types.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 07 May 24 9.07am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
The problems with PR are that you get weak government and give a degree of power to extremist parties like the Greens and Galloway types. Exactly. It's amazing how many on the left are in favour of PR and yet when Mrs May did a deal with the DUP they went apoplectic, that is the point about PR. You end up with a government / policies that people didn't vote for.
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| silvertop Portishead 07 May 24 11.09am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
The problems with PR are that you get weak government and give a degree of power to extremist parties like the Greens and Galloway types. Like Germany, Netherlands and Denmark? We disagree on much, but this tale is one spun for decades by the duopoly who have led this country forever. It is not true. It is self-serving spin. Any why just those smaller parties? Why not the DUP or Reform holding the balance of power?
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| silvertop Portishead 07 May 24 11.12am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Exactly. It's amazing how many on the left are in favour of PR and yet when Mrs May did a deal with the DUP they went apoplectic, that is the point about PR. You end up with a government / policies that people didn't vote for. Or, you get one seat per % of votes. That is more likely to get your voice heard than FPTP. Brexit, among other things, was a cry from the fringes of those who were not being listened to, partly as a consequence of our fixed voting system.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 07 May 24 11.29am |
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Unelected Head of State. Unelected Prime Minister. And now, unelected Foreign Minister. Unelected House of Lords. 60% of the voters, typically, have no say in the running of the country. It's not necessary, when defending Israel as an example, or even startng a conflict, to consult parliament at all.
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| ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 07 May 24 12.54pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Unelected Head of State. Unelected Prime Minister. And now, unelected Foreign Minister. Unelected House of Lords. 60% of the voters, typically, have no say in the running of the country. It's not necessary, when defending Israel as an example, or even startng a conflict, to consult parliament at all.
It's just like being back in the EU then. Except slightly fewer unelected politicians.
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