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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Sep 23 9.15am | |
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Originally posted by becky
Two things that bother me about the claims..... 1) how many ordinary people still have the same mobile phone 10 years on? 2) How many ordinary people save messages from 10 years ago? Were they on actual phones or obtained by journalists from phone company records or via other means? I cannot remember my number 10 years ago, but deep in my pile of junk in my garage I could find my old Nokia. If I trawled back through old records I could probably unearth my number. It’s what investigative journalists do.
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georgenorman 19 Sep 23 9.24am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That you might regard this as “done and dusted” is a personal choice but one that is very unlikely to be a reality. It seems it is only at the beginning. Brand may well be a political nonentity but he represents an attitude that most find offensive at best and now potentially criminal. Exposing this attitude will serve as a warning to others that no matter how much time elapses their behaviour can be called to account. That alone makes this worthwhile. If it restricts others from abusing the vulnerable then it serves a purpose. Savile was never prosecuted, for obvious reasons, but no one disputes his crimes or excuses them. Brand may not be prosecuted because of a lack of admissible evidence, although there does seem some that could be. Does he deserve a free pass if he isn’t prosecuted? Will anyone doubt his behaviour was criminal? If Savile is universally now regarded as a sexual predator why would Brand not be? I know Savile abused children but Brand has been recorded as trying to assist him in that. If Savile matters then so does Brand. Especially as he is still here, pontificating, spreading misinformation and monetising prejudice. Those who abuse their power for sexual gratification, or in any other way, need to have their behaviour exposed. That applies to every walk of life, not just entertainment. In an ideal situation it needs to be done in a Court but sometimes the legal system is either inadequate or needs help. This seems such a case. That's for a court to decide. How would you like it if you were accused of not maintaining gas appliances as a landlord without it being proved in a court.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 19 Sep 23 11.25am | |
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Just a shame this orchestrated stuff is keeping real news off the agenda.
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Spiderman Horsham 19 Sep 23 11.26am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Were they on actual phones or obtained by journalists from phone company records or via other means? I cannot remember my number 10 years ago, but deep in my pile of junk in my garage I could find my old Nokia. If I trawled back through old records I could probably unearth my number. It’s what investigative journalists do. Do they also clutch at straws?
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 19 Sep 23 11.27am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
That's for a court to decide. How would you like it if you were accused of not maintaining gas appliances as a landlord without it being proved in a court. Or indeed, for me to say I was touched in the toilet area by Wisbech at a business conference 20 years ago. Is that evidence ? No, it's slander and defamation , until it goes to court. But by then, all the subsequent details/evidence/bvll5hlt I might release would tarnish your good character to such an extent, that no-one would want to stay in one of your care homes. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (19 Sep 2023 11.29am)
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Spiderman Horsham 19 Sep 23 11.28am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That you might regard this as “done and dusted” is a personal choice but one that is very unlikely to be a reality. It seems it is only at the beginning. Brand may well be a political nonentity but he represents an attitude that most find offensive at best and now potentially criminal. Exposing this attitude will serve as a warning to others that no matter how much time elapses their behaviour can be called to account. That alone makes this worthwhile. If it restricts others from abusing the vulnerable then it serves a purpose. Savile was never prosecuted, for obvious reasons, but no one disputes his crimes or excuses them. Brand may not be prosecuted because of a lack of admissible evidence, although there does seem some that could be. Does he deserve a free pass if he isn’t prosecuted? Will anyone doubt his behaviour was criminal? If Savile is universally now regarded as a sexual predator why would Brand not be? I know Savile abused children but Brand has been recorded as trying to assist him in that. If Savile matters then so does Brand. Especially as he is still here, pontificating, spreading misinformation and monetising prejudice. Those who abuse their power for sexual gratification, or in any other way, need to have their behaviour exposed. That applies to every walk of life, not just entertainment. In an ideal situation it needs to be done in a Court but sometimes the legal system is either inadequate or needs help. This seems such a case. Perhaps he just needs love and a cuddle like Hunter
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CrazyBadger Ware 19 Sep 23 11.35am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That you might regard this as “done and dusted” is a personal choice but one that is very unlikely to be a reality. It seems it is only at the beginning. Brand may well be a political nonentity but he represents an attitude that most find offensive at best and now potentially criminal. Exposing this attitude will serve as a warning to others that no matter how much time elapses their behaviour can be called to account. That alone makes this worthwhile. If it restricts others from abusing the vulnerable then it serves a purpose. Savile was never prosecuted, for obvious reasons, but no one disputes his crimes or excuses them. Brand may not be prosecuted because of a lack of admissible evidence, although there does seem some that could be. Does he deserve a free pass if he isn’t prosecuted? Will anyone doubt his behaviour was criminal? If Savile is universally now regarded as a sexual predator why would Brand not be? I know Savile abused children but Brand has been recorded as trying to assist him in that. If Savile matters then so does Brand. Especially as he is still here, pontificating, spreading misinformation and monetising prejudice. Those who abuse their power for sexual gratification, or in any other way, need to have their behaviour exposed. That applies to every walk of life, not just entertainment. In an ideal situation it needs to be done in a Court but sometimes the legal system is either inadequate or needs help. This seems such a case. Sounds like you've already made your judgement. The Media have done their job. Why do we even need a justice system at all ?!
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Hrolf The Ganger 19 Sep 23 11.42am | |
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Originally posted by CrazyBadger
Sounds like you've already made your judgement. The Media have done their job. Why do we even need a justice system at all ?! Yes, and we've all seen how good his judgement is. The issue is not really about Brand but about trial by TV and the motivations for it. Wisbech seems to think that destroying someone's life before any criminality is proven is OK.
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CrazyBadger Ware 19 Sep 23 11.50am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Yes, and we've all seen how good his judgement is. The issue is not really about Brand but about trial by TV and the motivations for it. Wisbech seems to think that destroying someone's life before any criminality is proven is OK. Couldn't agree more.
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Spiderman Horsham 19 Sep 23 1.07pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Yes, and we've all seen how good his judgement is. The issue is not really about Brand but about trial by TV and the motivations for it. Wisbech seems to think that destroying someone's life before any criminality is proven is OK. Depends who it is
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Sep 23 1.14pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
That's for a court to decide. How would you like it if you were accused of not maintaining gas appliances as a landlord without it being proved in a court. So following this reasoning you believe that no one should believe that Savile wasn’t responsible for any of the things he was accused of, and his reputation should remain untarnished? Courts decide punishment. People can reach opinions irrespective of anything done in court. Should I be accused of not maintaining gas appliances as a landlord I would laugh all the way to the bank. I don’t possess any gas appliances as a landlord.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Sep 23 1.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Just a shame this orchestrated stuff is keeping real news off the agenda. It isn’t orchestrated though is it? It’s been published by teams who cooperated in an investigation. That news editors have decided this is something for their headlines is for them to answer. I don’t expect either the concrete or the BJ story to disappear. Just be delayed a few days.
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