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silvertop Portishead 07 Jul 24 8.47am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Loony tunes. The denial of reality is truly something to behold. If the Russian troll farms were or had been disseminating stuff to support Remain or Labour what would be your position?
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Stirlingsays 07 Jul 24 8.55am | |
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Troll farms in Russia exist. Troll farms in Ukraine exist. Troll farms in Nato exist. However, we only seem to hear about the one. There are no good guys involved here....all the hands are dirty. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jul 2024 8.56am)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Jul 24 8.59am | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Unlikely as they no longer exist. Their equivalent today is the FSB. Whether they are directly behind the troll farms, or support them at arms length, is an irrelevance. What’s important is that they do exist. They though aren’t the main reason for the swing to the right. That’s caused by the usual reason for any swing, dissatisfaction, desire for change and belief in the untried policies of those who until now have only had to offer theoretical solutions. What the Russian troll farms do is oil the wheels of that dissatisfaction, sow dissent and exploit cracks. A series of crises has produced the current wave of right leaning populist sentiment, which we are about to witness the next chapter of in France. Not unlike elsewhere Le Pen has tried to whitewash her image and distance herself from extremism by changing the name of her Party. Just like Farage has done here. Leopards though still have spots which whitewash cannot disguise.
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Teddy Eagle 07 Jul 24 9.12am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
If the Russian troll farms were or had been disseminating stuff to support Remain or Labour what would be your position? If the intention was to create unrest and dissent then why wouldn't they be supporting both sides?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Jul 24 9.14am | |
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I have little doubt that we too try to influence public opinion in Russia. The difference is not the existence of the efforts but in the censorship of them. Despite all the bs we often read here about our own freedoms being threatened we police our social media with a relatively light touch. Not so in Russia, or China. Countering misinformation about the invasion of Ukraine in Russia has become almost impossible and any internal criticism made a criminal offence. It’s like trying to play a game of football with one team able to wear boots with pointed studs and the other in bare feet. Without a referee.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Jul 24 9.20am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
If the intention was to create unrest and dissent then why wouldn't they be supporting both sides? They sometimes do, if it suits. If the right took power and started to fail, then their failure would quickly be emphasised. I would have expected Labour to have been supported here in the last few years and Reform recently, in an attempt to destroy the Tories. You can now expect Labour to be the target. Expect personal stories about the new Ministers spread on social media and gleefully picked up by the Mail.
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Teddy Eagle 07 Jul 24 9.23am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
They sometimes do, if it suits. If the right took power and started to fail, then their failure would quickly be emphasised. I would have expected Labour to have been supported here in the last few years and Reform recently, in an attempt to destroy the Tories. You can now expect Labour to be the target. Expect personal stories about the new Ministers spread on social media and gleefully picked up by the Mail. Yes but with an issue like Brexit they could put out misinformation on both sides simultaneously.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Jul 24 11.28am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Yes but with an issue like Brexit they could put out misinformation on both sides simultaneously. They could but if the UK leaving the EU was seen as a benefit to Russia in that it disrupted both the EU and the UK then the emphasis would be on pushing that. In circumstances where disruption can be achieved by pushing disinformation in several directions I am sure they will do that.
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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Jul 24 11.37am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
To deny the reality of what our security services tell us is truly to sing a loony tune. The existence of troll farms in Russia whose purpose is to sow misinformation in the western social media isn’t questionable. How effective it is can be witnessed on occasions in places such as this. Your one sided conspiracy theory nonsense does not deserve response. The reason why people voted Reform in large numbers should be clear to all. As any sensible person should, they ignored the endless propaganda drone coming from the Left and voted to try and rescue this country from people like you.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 07 Jul 24 11.39am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Unlikely as they no longer exist. Their equivalent today is the FSB. Whether they are directly behind the troll farms, or support them at arms length, is an irrelevance. What’s important is that they do exist. They though aren’t the main reason for the swing to the right. That’s caused by the usual reason for any swing, dissatisfaction, desire for change and belief in the untried policies of those who until now have only had to offer theoretical solutions. What the Russian troll farms do is oil the wheels of that dissatisfaction, sow dissent and exploit cracks. A series of crises has produced the current wave of right leaning populist sentiment, which we are about to witness the next chapter of in France. Not unlike elsewhere Le Pen has tried to whitewash her image and distance herself from extremism by changing the name of her Party. Just like Farage has done here. Leopards though still have spots which whitewash cannot disguise. The KGB reference was entirely intentional satire. What it's satire of can be interpreted variously.
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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Jul 24 11.41am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
If the Russian troll farms were or had been disseminating stuff to support Remain or Labour what would be your position? Propaganda is everywhere all the time from many sources. When I switch on my TV or look on then internet, most of what I see is from the left.
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Stirlingsays 07 Jul 24 11.50am | |
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How anyone can claim that there is light censorship in the west is beyond me. Political parties are banned, denied publicity and have their members persecuted. This particular poster delights in the persecution of Tommy Robinson for example because he doesn't like his politics. Light censorship? Twenty years ago yes, not now. We literally arrest people for mean tweets in this country. People lose jobs because of social opinions. Statistics exist showing that arrest for non PC opinions are far higher than happens in Russia. Putin tends to focus upon rival elites more than low level stuff. Whereas in this country I've had Police sent to my door because I'd been reported for political opinions that might be of interest to the state. What threat am I? Ridiculous. And we all know that someone like Starmer is going to censor even more. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jul 2024 11.51am)
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