To go back on topic, I feel this last few days is an absolute farce.

Boris was never going to lose a vote and is unlikely to stand down.

Like him or loathe him there are huge swathes of society who may not be your average Tory voter who see in their eyes a man who can do no wrong.

He could be filmed jumping naked around the cabinet table and sniffing coke off Priti Patel's naked breasts (and don't thank me for that image as it stays with you...) and people will just say ' Oh that's just Boris, look at what he has done for us all,' and he would not stand down.

Right now he has the reputation of being a winner and until the Tories I'm marginal seats feel their own position is under threat they will not rock the boat too much.

We have had a challenge he is now immune for a while and will stick around.

I cannot see an effective opposition to threaten that and could even see in a couple of years a coalition with Boris at the heart of it as whatever your views people like him.

I don't mean to belittle you as I think what you are saying is genuine. If it relates to previous posts then It's a fair criticism that I might be out of context as I haven't read previous posts.

My point was that if we are going to distribute 'blame' onto groups for reason A or B then I think it's fair that those topics are specified. Because what I tend to see are a lot of catchment, whereas if you agree with a particular position the suggestion is it means you must be in particular specified ideological groups.....and...you know that must mean we're going to end up murdering Jews.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jun 2022 2.51pm)

Oh OK, so my comment was aimed at 'groups' as a generalisation, not at a particular group of side of the political spectrum etc. etc. To reiterate it is more a philosophical stance not a particular shot at a specific group, if that makes sense?

I myself am very adverse to committing absolutely to any political, moral or otherwise stance without complete and concrete evidence, '1+1=2', and I do often ponder and quite frankly dislike the mentality of those that do. I then just went off on a raging tangent about examples where this has proved detrimental and destructive in more recent human history.

It was in light of those opposing Brexit, who like it or not can now be readily identified as anti-democratic, whichever way they try and spin it.

I think that's quite an outdated view of Boris... the veneer has fallen.

Latest polling had 42% of Tory members agreeing that Conservative MPs should vote to remove him and 68% of the population think he's doing 'badly' as Prime Minister. Only 26% think he's doing 'well'.

He's on borrowed time already and will soon be nothing more than "the worst PM we've ever had" in the history books.

I deliberately tried to not profess a political viewpoint in my post as it was meant to be a comment on the man not the party, and indeed I was making that very point, whatever he seems to do a large section of the public like him and no other party right now has that (apart from maybe Nichola Sturgeon in Scotland.)

But time will tell,

Apologies for any misunderstandings I might have had.

I think I better understand you here. You have a distain for idealogs, I get that....I think in many senses it's a good instinct.