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Glazier#1 31 Mar 22 1.20pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays In my experience that's mostly leftist propaganda. Most people know 'woke' when they see it. Here we go again: "Most people" You know most people, do you?
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Glazier#1

31 Mar 22 1.20pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

In my experience that's mostly leftist propaganda. Most people know 'woke' when they see it.

Here we go again: "Most people"

You know most people, do you?

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Eaglecoops CR3 31 Mar 22 1.25pm
Originally posted by Glazier#1 I saw a black fellow interviewed who felt that Colston was, in fact, a mass murderer and he was offended that Bristol should erect a statue to such. Genuine question, do you think the statue was erected to remind people of the fact he was in the slave trade or because he almost single handedly bought wealth and prosperity to the area? As I have already said, there were slavers of all creeds and colours before the Brits and he did much to end it as much as profit from it. There are lots of people who offend me, however I don't expect to be able to cancel the history of their lives to suit my own agenda and I definitely don't need others being apologetic on my behalf.
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CR3 31 Mar 22 1.25pm

Originally posted by Glazier#1

I saw a black fellow interviewed who felt that Colston was, in fact, a mass murderer and he was offended that Bristol should erect a statue to such.

Genuine question, do you think the statue was erected to remind people of the fact he was in the slave trade or because he almost single handedly bought wealth and prosperity to the area? As I have already said, there were slavers of all creeds and colours before the Brits and he did much to end it as much as profit from it.

There are lots of people who offend me, however I don't expect to be able to cancel the history of their lives to suit my own agenda and I definitely don't need others being apologetic on my behalf.

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Eaglecoops CR3 31 Mar 22 1.28pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I have only lived in Cornwall since 2014. Prior to that, I have lived in many places in the UK. Including Croydon and Coventry. I have also seen genuine deprivation in other places around the world. So if this was common knowledge, I would have experienced it. I don't doubt that the term "gay" was in the OED, but just like "woke" was a slow burner and only became part of the common language much later. Whereabouts in Coventry did you live, I am a Cov boy myself and still follow their results although been supporting Palace since I moved to London in 1986?
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CR3 31 Mar 22 1.28pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I have only lived in Cornwall since 2014. Prior to that, I have lived in many places in the UK. Including Croydon and Coventry. I have also seen genuine deprivation in other places around the world. So if this was common knowledge, I would have experienced it.

I don't doubt that the term "gay" was in the OED, but just like "woke" was a slow burner and only became part of the common language much later.

Whereabouts in Coventry did you live, I am a Cov boy myself and still follow their results although been supporting Palace since I moved to London in 1986?

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Stirlingsays 31 Mar 22 1.29pm
Originally posted by Glazier#1 Here we go again: "Most people" You know most people, do you? Well, it's an opinion and as most people aren't woke it's probably a pretty safe one. Is that alright Glazier? Am I allowed to have an opinion on a politics forum? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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31 Mar 22 1.29pm

Originally posted by Glazier#1

Here we go again: "Most people"

You know most people, do you?

Well, it's an opinion and as most people aren't woke it's probably a pretty safe one.

Is that alright Glazier? Am I allowed to have an opinion on a politics forum?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hrolf The Ganger 31 Mar 22 1.35pm
Originally posted by Glazier#1 Would you please stop telling me to stop writing in italics. What an assertion: if I write in italics (even if quoting a previously written comment), it makes me seem weird. You really have an arrogant, dictatorial way about you, Hrolf, which is not necessary. I'm not your enemy. Although, I must admit I wrote that in italics to provoke a response and by, jingo, you fell for it. My logic is that people of all sides should stop imagining that their view is 'the majority' without proof. Not that difficult to understand. I think you may be confused because I applied that to everyone and not just people I disagree with. Perhaps it wasn't one-sided enough for you and that caused surprise and confusion. Edited by Glazier#1 (31 Mar 2022 1.22pm) You are most kind. So people assume that their opinion is the majority one? Does that include you, or are you above all that? Perhaps writing in italics is a sign of your superiority.
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Originally posted by Glazier#1

Would you please stop telling me to stop writing in italics. What an assertion: if I write in italics (even if quoting a previously written comment), it makes me seem weird. You really have an arrogant, dictatorial way about you, Hrolf, which is not necessary. I'm not your enemy. Although, I must admit I wrote that in italics to provoke a response and by, jingo, you fell for it.

My logic is that people of all sides should stop imagining that their view is 'the majority' without proof.

Not that difficult to understand. I think you may be confused because I applied that to everyone and not just people I disagree with. Perhaps it wasn't one-sided enough for you and that caused surprise and confusion.

Edited by Glazier#1 (31 Mar 2022 1.22pm)

You are most kind.

So people assume that their opinion is the majority one?

Does that include you, or are you above all that?

Perhaps writing in italics is a sign of your superiority.

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Glazier#1 31 Mar 22 1.37pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Well, it's an opinion and as most people aren't woke it's probably a pretty safe one. Is that alright Glazier? Am I allowed to have an opinion on a politics forum? I'm surprised you ask that question. Of course you are. Am I allowed to disagree with your opinion on a politics forum? I have to ask though: "most people aren't woke". Where is your statistical evidence for this statement? Perhaps it may be better phrased as: "most people I mix with". I'm not trying to be offensive and you have the right to express an opinion as much as I have the right to question it. (Without insults). We aren't enemies. Just have different views, which is healthy, no?
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31 Mar 22 1.37pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well, it's an opinion and as most people aren't woke it's probably a pretty safe one.

Is that alright Glazier? Am I allowed to have an opinion on a politics forum?

I'm surprised you ask that question. Of course you are. Am I allowed to disagree with your opinion on a politics forum?

I have to ask though: "most people aren't woke". Where is your statistical evidence for this statement?

Perhaps it may be better phrased as: "most people I mix with".

I'm not trying to be offensive and you have the right to express an opinion as much as I have the right to question it. (Without insults).

We aren't enemies. Just have different views, which is healthy, no?

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Glazier#1 31 Mar 22 1.41pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You are most kind. So people assume that their opinion is the majority one? Does that include you, or are you above all that? Perhaps writing in italics is a sign of your superiority. What?! Some people do assume that and in my opinion, that's not right. I'll spell it out for you, my friend, I do not assume that my opinion is the majority one. I don't think we need to resort to such acidic comments. I'm not your enemy. We are allowed to disagree without mudslinging. Why are you adopting such an antagonistic tone?
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31 Mar 22 1.41pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You are most kind.

So people assume that their opinion is the majority one?

Does that include you, or are you above all that?

Perhaps writing in italics is a sign of your superiority.

What?!

Some people do assume that and in my opinion, that's not right.

I'll spell it out for you, my friend, I do not assume that my opinion is the majority one.

I don't think we need to resort to such acidic comments.

I'm not your enemy. We are allowed to disagree without mudslinging.

Why are you adopting such an antagonistic tone?

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Teddy Eagle 31 Mar 22 1.46pm
Apologies; this link doesn’t clear anything up but is quite interesting. [Link]
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31 Mar 22 1.46pm

Apologies; this link doesn’t clear anything up but is quite interesting.

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Hrolf The Ganger 31 Mar 22 1.47pm
Originally posted by Glazier#1 What?! Some people do assume that and in my opinion, that's not right. I'll spell it out for you, my friend, I do not assume that my opinion is the majority one. I don't think we need to resort to such acidic comments. I'm not your enemy. We are allowed to disagree without mudslinging. Why are you adopting such an antagonistic tone? Let's dispense with all the semantics and pretence. You came on here asking disingenuous questions. We all know what we are talking about and why. If you have come on here to defend all things known as woke and claim that all objection to it is some minority 'right wing' conspiracy, then I shan't waste any more of my time replying.
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31 Mar 22 1.47pm

Originally posted by Glazier#1

What?!

Some people do assume that and in my opinion, that's not right.

I'll spell it out for you, my friend, I do not assume that my opinion is the majority one.

I don't think we need to resort to such acidic comments.

I'm not your enemy. We are allowed to disagree without mudslinging.

Why are you adopting such an antagonistic tone?

Let's dispense with all the semantics and pretence.

You came on here asking disingenuous questions.
We all know what we are talking about and why.

If you have come on here to defend all things known as woke and claim that all objection to it is some minority 'right wing' conspiracy, then I shan't waste any more of my time replying.

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Stirlingsays 31 Mar 22 2.00pm
Originally posted by Glazier#1 I'm surprised you ask that question. Of course you are. Am I allowed to disagree with your opinion on a politics forum? You're the guy who seems to think opinions need to have I have to ask though: "most people aren't woke". Where is your statistical evidence for this statement? Voting patterns would be good evidence I'd say. Do we want opinions to require statistical evidence? I mean you or I can have an opinion based on our interpretation of statistics...for example gun ownership. However, is that opinion right or wrong? As opinions also factor in someone's principles or values. Originally posted by Glazier#1 Perhaps it may be better phrased as: "most people I mix with". I'm not trying to be offensive and you have the right to express an opinion as much as I have the right to question it. (Without insults). We aren't enemies. Just have different views, which is healthy, no? I'd pretty much agree with that perspective. Like attracts like....it can be an issue but it's also natural and yes, you have a right to say and question whatever the hell you want to....that will always be the case with me. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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31 Mar 22 2.00pm

Originally posted by Glazier#1

I'm surprised you ask that question. Of course you are. Am I allowed to disagree with your opinion on a politics forum?

You're the guy who seems to think opinions need to have

I have to ask though: "most people aren't woke". Where is your statistical evidence for this statement?

Voting patterns would be good evidence I'd say.

Do we want opinions to require statistical evidence? I mean you or I can have an opinion based on our interpretation of statistics...for example gun ownership. However, is that opinion right or wrong? As opinions also factor in someone's principles or values.

Originally posted by Glazier#1

Perhaps it may be better phrased as: "most people I mix with".

I'm not trying to be offensive and you have the right to express an opinion as much as I have the right to question it. (Without insults).

We aren't enemies. Just have different views, which is healthy, no?

I'd pretty much agree with that perspective. Like attracts like....it can be an issue but it's also natural and yes, you have a right to say and question whatever the hell you want to....that will always be the case with me.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Glazier#1 31 Mar 22 2.01pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Let's dispense with all the semantics and pretence. You came on here asking disingenuous questions. We all know what we are talking about and why. If you have come on here to defend all things known as woke and claim that all objection to it is some minority 'right wing' conspiracy, then I shan't waste any more of my time replying. Yet only a few posts ago I wrote about how cancel culture annoys me. I've also just written that all sides should stop assuming they are the majority. "We all know" - there you go, assuming that you are speaking for "We". Do you know what everybody who reads this thinks? As for "minority right wing conspiracy", I have never written conspiracy, yet alone that right -wing views are a "minority". It certainly will be a waste of time if you are not prepared to read posts properly, Hrolf. I'm trying to share ideas and asking fellow posters to elaborate on their opinions but that seems to offend you to the point that you are annoyed and antagonistic towards me. There's no need. Here I am, indulging in free speech, respectfully, and there you go, making massive assumptions and turning debate into a row. there's no need. You seem to have me pigeon-holed into a caricature of something that suits you, Rolf. Not fair.
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Glazier#1

31 Mar 22 2.01pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Let's dispense with all the semantics and pretence.

You came on here asking disingenuous questions.
We all know what we are talking about and why.

If you have come on here to defend all things known as woke and claim that all objection to it is some minority 'right wing' conspiracy, then I shan't waste any more of my time replying.

Yet only a few posts ago I wrote about how cancel culture annoys me. I've also just written that all sides should stop assuming they are the majority.

"We all know" - there you go, assuming that you are speaking for "We". Do you know what everybody who reads this thinks?

As for "minority right wing conspiracy", I have never written conspiracy, yet alone that right -wing views are a "minority".

It certainly will be a waste of time if you are not prepared to read posts properly, Hrolf.

I'm trying to share ideas and asking fellow posters to elaborate on their opinions but that seems to offend you to the point that you are annoyed and antagonistic towards me.

There's no need. Here I am, indulging in free speech, respectfully, and there you go, making massive assumptions and turning debate into a row. there's no need.

You seem to have me pigeon-holed into a caricature of something that suits you, Rolf.

Not fair.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 31 Mar 22 2.31pm
If ever proof was needed as to why there are so few contributors to the politics section of this site, this morning's contributions to this thread are it.
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If ever proof was needed as to why there are so few contributors to the politics section of this site, this morning's contributions to this thread are it.

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