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Midlands Eagle 03 Apr 22 7.45am
Originally posted by trapperjohn [Link] Not sure if this appears elsewhere (apologies if so) but an interesting take on things Interesting quote that isn't true:- "Both Textor and Parish have first refusal on their shares and both have the funds to take them on." Whilst Textor may have sufficient wealth to buy the shares I doubt that Parish does
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Originally posted by trapperjohn

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Not sure if this appears elsewhere (apologies if so) but an interesting take on things

Interesting quote that isn't true:-

"Both Textor and Parish have first refusal on their shares and both have the funds to take them on."

Whilst Textor may have sufficient wealth to buy the shares I doubt that Parish does

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dreamwaverider London 03 Apr 22 9.20am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Interesting quote that isn't true:- "Both Textor and Parish have first refusal on their shares and both have the funds to take them on." Whilst Textor may have sufficient wealth to buy the shares I doubt that Parish does According to the latest stats, Textor has 10% of Fubo TV Inc. it’s share price has collapsed in the past 6 months. That is his only listed asset. It came from a merger of Facebank and Fubo. However I don’t know what sales restrictions hang over it. Optimistically there is potential upside but as a small cap on NYSE risk is big. So neither Textor nor Parish in the football world have deep pockets. Although for most of us they would be viewed as staggeringly wealthy, in the premier league they are not huge. More concerning I don’t suppose anyone knows how Texter financed his entry into Palace, but I am concerned there could be personal leverage to have secured the purchase. Realistically therefore, I would say H&B will need to look elsewhere to sell their shares if their Chelsea bid is accepted. As syd said earlier ‘be careful what you wish for’. Pray Lord H&B do not lend other Palace shareholders the funds to buy them out, although I’m not sure that is allowed. Here is hoping they fail to buy Chelsea and look to bolster their position with us. There aren’t many genuine multi billionaires out there wanting to invest in football. We are very fortunate to have a couple and we should hope we keep them. There is still a huge potential upside on value with Palace which they signed up to. Really hope they stay with us. We definitely should not rush into a fire sale to help them exit. Edited by dreamwaverider (03 Apr 2022 9.22am) Edited by dreamwaverider (03 Apr 2022 9.27am)
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Interesting quote that isn't true:-

"Both Textor and Parish have first refusal on their shares and both have the funds to take them on."

Whilst Textor may have sufficient wealth to buy the shares I doubt that Parish does

According to the latest stats, Textor has 10% of Fubo TV Inc.
it’s share price has collapsed in the past 6 months.
That is his only listed asset. It came from a merger of Facebank and Fubo.
However I don’t know what sales restrictions hang over it.
Optimistically there is potential upside but as a small cap on NYSE risk is big.
So neither Textor nor Parish in the football world have deep pockets.
Although for most of us they would be viewed as staggeringly wealthy, in the premier league they are not huge.
More concerning I don’t suppose anyone knows how Texter financed his entry into Palace, but I am concerned there could be personal leverage to have secured the purchase.
Realistically therefore, I would say H&B will need to look elsewhere to sell their shares if their Chelsea bid is accepted.
As syd said earlier ‘be careful what you wish for’.
Pray Lord H&B do not lend other Palace shareholders the funds to buy them out, although I’m not sure that is allowed.
Here is hoping they fail to buy Chelsea and look to bolster their position with us.
There aren’t many genuine multi billionaires out there wanting to invest in football. We are very fortunate to have a couple and we should hope we keep them.
There is still a huge potential upside on value with Palace which they signed up to.
Really hope they stay with us. We definitely should not rush into a fire sale to help them exit.

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Omph Liverpool 03 Apr 22 10.07am
Originally posted by dreamwaverider According to the latest stats, Textor has 10% of Fubo TV Inc. it’s share price has collapsed in the past 6 months. That is his only listed asset. It came from a merger of Facebank and Fubo. However I don’t know what sales restrictions hang over it. Optimistically there is potential upside but as a small cap on NYSE risk is big. So neither Textor nor Parish in the football world have deep pockets. Although for most of us they would be viewed as staggeringly wealthy, in the premier league they are not huge. More concerning I don’t suppose anyone knows how Texter financed his entry into Palace, but I am concerned there could be personal leverage to have secured the purchase. Realistically therefore, I would say H&B will need to look elsewhere to sell their shares if their Chelsea bid is accepted. As syd said earlier ‘be careful what you wish for’. Pray Lord H&B do not lend other Palace shareholders the funds to buy them out, although I’m not sure that is allowed. Here is hoping they fail to buy Chelsea and look to bolster their position with us. There aren’t many genuine multi billionaires out there wanting to invest in football. We are very fortunate to have a couple and we should hope we keep them. There is still a huge potential upside on value with Palace which they signed up to. Really hope they stay with us. We definitely should not rush into a fire sale to help them exit. Edited by dreamwaverider (03 Apr 2022 9.22am) Edited by dreamwaverider (03 Apr 2022 9.27am) Agreed all round. Textor worries me a bit. Clearly he loves the game if you look at how he's looking to invest - not just here but in Brazil, Belgium and potentially Portugal. But unless I'm missing something all this investment is really quite recent. The Boafogo venture in Brazil looks fairly speculative to me almost as if he's a bit of a dreamer. He even apparently has a preferred method of play [Link] I'd be more comfortable if he was in it simply for the money to be honest!
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Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Edited by dreamwaverider (03 Apr 2022 9.22am)

Edited by dreamwaverider (03 Apr 2022 9.27am)

Agreed all round.

Textor worries me a bit.

Clearly he loves the game if you look at how he's looking to invest - not just here but in Brazil, Belgium and potentially Portugal. But unless I'm missing something all this investment is really quite recent. The Boafogo venture in Brazil looks fairly speculative to me almost as if he's a bit of a dreamer. He even apparently has a preferred method of play

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I'd be more comfortable if he was in it simply for the money to be honest!

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dreamwaverider London 09 Apr 22 10.54am
Originally posted by Omph Agreed all round. Textor worries me a bit. Clearly he loves the game if you look at how he's looking to invest - not just here but in Brazil, Belgium and potentially Portugal. But unless I'm missing something all this investment is really quite recent. The Boafogo venture in Brazil looks fairly speculative to me almost as if he's a bit of a dreamer. He even apparently has a preferred method of play [Link] I'd be more comfortable if he was in it simply for the money to be honest! Like you I do worry about what Textor is doing and how he is doing it. I just hope his adventure is not based on high leverage. Banks don’t look lovingly at anything. They just go bottom line. It is crucial debt is supported and football has not got a good track record. At least as a minority shareholder if it goes wrong for him (which I sincerely hope not)it won’t kill us although it would rock the apple cart. Only 20% of premier clubs made a profit from 2019-21. Chelsea topped it with £30m. So fine margins. It’s why I’m hoping H&B don’t get Chelsea. But they are looking good for it. Edited by dreamwaverider (09 Apr 2022 10.55am)
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London 09 Apr 22 10.54am

Originally posted by Omph

Agreed all round.

Textor worries me a bit.

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I'd be more comfortable if he was in it simply for the money to be honest!

Like you I do worry about what Textor is doing and how he is doing it.
I just hope his adventure is not based on high leverage.
Banks don’t look lovingly at anything. They just go bottom line.
It is crucial debt is supported and football has not got a good track record.
At least as a minority shareholder if it goes wrong for him (which I sincerely hope not)it won’t kill us although it would rock the apple cart.
Only 20% of premier clubs made a profit from 2019-21.
Chelsea topped it with £30m. So fine margins.
It’s why I’m hoping H&B don’t get Chelsea. But they are looking good for it.

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dreamwaverider London 09 Apr 22 11.17am
My prediction is that whoever buys Chelsea is buying at the very top of the market just when the global economy is balancing on the edge of a cliff on a very windy day. £3billion seems absurd for a business with a £30m profit on such a fine margin. As I understand it, the ground has restrictive covenants and really counting players as assets is an accountancy practise not reality. No, it’s a rich man’s playground , not a sensible business plan At least not at this level of valuation. Unless of course you can make head or tail of a clip I will copy below from an article on football finance - However, the overall landscape is not negative because the true potential of the football industry is not been unlocked yet. Investor interest in football clubs keeps increasing and the reason is that the revenue of most football clubs has been limited beyond ticketing and TV broadcasting but the potential is much bigger than that. Football clubs looking to gain a competitive advantage need to step up their commercial and sport management efforts to finally reach the next step of the industry development. Embracing technology in building an ecosystem made of effective management processes and best practices, digital enhanced, unlocking the value of their data, creating, distributing, and monetizing their content will be the real game-changer for clubs to build better teams on the pitch and achieve sustainability. Understand and believe that and the sky is the limit. !! Certainly not for the faint hearted.
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London 09 Apr 22 11.17am

My prediction is that whoever buys Chelsea is buying at the very top of the market just when the global economy is balancing on the edge of a cliff on a very windy day.
£3billion seems absurd for a business with a £30m profit on such a fine margin.
As I understand it, the ground has restrictive covenants and really counting players as assets is an accountancy practise not reality.
No, it’s a rich man’s playground , not a sensible business plan
At least not at this level of valuation.
Unless of course you can make head or tail of a clip I will copy below from an article on football finance -

However, the overall landscape is not negative because the true potential of the football industry is not been unlocked yet. Investor interest in football clubs keeps increasing and the reason is that the revenue of most football clubs has been limited beyond ticketing and TV broadcasting but the potential is much bigger than that. Football clubs looking to gain a competitive advantage need to step up their commercial and sport management efforts to finally reach the next step of the industry development. Embracing technology in building an ecosystem made of effective management processes and best practices, digital enhanced, unlocking the value of their data, creating, distributing, and monetizing their content will be the real game-changer for clubs to build better teams on the pitch and achieve sustainability.

Understand and believe that and the sky is the limit. !!
Certainly not for the faint hearted.

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sydtheeagle England 09 Apr 22 8.15pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Whilst Textor may have sufficient wealth to buy the shares I doubt that Parish does Textor is wealthier than Parrish but neither of them is wealthy enough to own and support a football club. If either of them buys those shares, it'll be a very heavily leveraged deal (which is not good for us). And I suspect Parish is far too shrewd to go down that road. Unless we have some unknown benefactor of immense wealth waiting in the wings, by far the best outcome for us is Blitzer and Harris remaining in place. Better the devil you know. Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.
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England 09 Apr 22 8.15pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Whilst Textor may have sufficient wealth to buy the shares I doubt that Parish does

Textor is wealthier than Parrish but neither of them is wealthy enough to own and support a football club. If either of them buys those shares, it'll be a very heavily leveraged deal (which is not good for us). And I suspect Parish is far too shrewd to go down that road.

Unless we have some unknown benefactor of immense wealth waiting in the wings, by far the best outcome for us is Blitzer and Harris remaining in place. Better the devil you know.

Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.

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Rachid Rachid Rachid 09 Apr 22 9.12pm
Harris & Blitzer bankrolled us so much they were happy to flog Wan Bissaka and put nothing back then ask for a loan off season ticket holders during COVID. Textor comes in and puts in the money that's kept us up but he's dodge. Sure.
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Harris & Blitzer bankrolled us so much they were happy to flog Wan Bissaka and put nothing back then ask for a loan off season ticket holders during COVID.

Textor comes in and puts in the money that's kept us up but he's dodge. Sure.

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dreamwaverider London 10 Apr 22 12.29pm
Originally posted by sydtheeagle Textor is wealthier than Parrish but neither of them is wealthy enough to own and support a football club. If either of them buys those shares, it'll be a very heavily leveraged deal (which is not good for us). And I suspect Parish is far too shrewd to go down that road. Unless we have some unknown benefactor of immense wealth waiting in the wings, by far the best outcome for us is Blitzer and Harris remaining in place. Better the devil you know. Totally agree syd. But why would they have diluted by 40% of their positions with us if they wanted to stay. Just hope they have a re think on where the greatest potential is in the premier and top back up with us fast! At £200m we must have at least x3 potential. We are still a great bet. In fact better than ever right now. Edited by dreamwaverider (10 Apr 2022 12.32pm)
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London 10 Apr 22 12.29pm

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

Unless we have some unknown benefactor of immense wealth waiting in the wings, by far the best outcome for us is Blitzer and Harris remaining in place. Better the devil you know.

Totally agree syd.
But why would they have diluted by 40% of their positions with us if they wanted to stay. Just hope they have a re think on where the greatest potential is in the premier and top back up with us fast!
At £200m we must have at least x3 potential.
We are still a great bet. In fact better than ever right now.

Edited by dreamwaverider (10 Apr 2022 12.32pm)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 10 Apr 22 12.47pm
Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid Harris & Blitzer bankrolled us so much they were happy to flog Wan Bissaka and put nothing back then ask for a loan off season ticket holders during COVID. Textor comes in and puts in the money that's kept us up but he's dodge. Sure. And then a donation. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 10 Apr 22 12.47pm

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

Harris & Blitzer bankrolled us so much they were happy to flog Wan Bissaka and put nothing back then ask for a loan off season ticket holders during COVID.

Textor comes in and puts in the money that's kept us up but he's dodge. Sure.

And then a donation.

COYP

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waddy Highton,Melbourne 19 Apr 22 5.30am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Harris & Blitzer want to buy Chelski ' by becky So we just lose to a very wealthy club & our owners now want to sell up & move on ! Shows they have no passion for English football,no pride in being part of South London,no soul in progression of Crystal Palace.Why are they allowed to be involved ? Steve next time you sell a share make sure it’s a English person whom like English foootball.Not to Money Money Money hungry yanks ! Now you two Yanks can ARGO ! Forever Palace Proud
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Highton,Melbourne 19 Apr 22 5.30am

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Harris & Blitzer want to buy Chelski ' by becky

So we just lose to a very wealthy club & our owners now want to sell up & move on ! Shows they have no passion for English football,no pride in being part of South London,no soul in progression of Crystal Palace.Why are they allowed to be involved ? Steve next time you sell a share make sure it’s a English person whom like English foootball.Not to Money Money Money hungry yanks ! Now you two Yanks can ARGO !

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Midlands Eagle 19 Apr 22 6.37am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Harris & Blitzer want to buy Chelski ' by becky Originally posted by waddy So we just lose to a very wealthy club & our owners now want to sell up & move on You're a bit slow to the party as this has been common knowledge for weeks and has been discussed at length in both this forum and Football Talk as well
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19 Apr 22 6.37am

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Originally posted by waddy

So we just lose to a very wealthy club & our owners now want to sell up & move on

You're a bit slow to the party as this has been common knowledge for weeks and has been discussed at length in both this forum and Football Talk as well

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jhillman USA 19 Apr 22 6.59am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Harris & Blitzer want to buy Chelski ' by becky Originally posted by Midlands Eagle You're a bit slow to the party as this has been common knowledge for weeks and has been discussed at length in both this forum and Football Talk as well Bush telegraph?
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Harris & Blitzer want to buy Chelski ' by becky

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

You're a bit slow to the party as this has been common knowledge for weeks and has been discussed at length in both this forum and Football Talk as well

Bush telegraph?

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