The country would be immeasurably better off with Jeremy Corbyn.

The choice of leaving the EU and the terms would be ours to decide.

Public ownership of water, energy and rail now starting to happen as one by one the privatisations all fail.

Fully funded and world beating NHS.

High quality broadband rolled out everywhere.

A wealth tax and corporation tax to fund public services.

A government for the many, not the few.

The biggest tax hike since WW2? It is the Tories and its definitely not going to benefit Mr.Average, its going to landlords and corporate greed.

Public service workers are worse-off than when the tories misrule started 11 years ago.

We had already made our choice on the EU.

Nationalised industries, always inefficient, overstaffed, charge high prices and produce shoddy products.

There is no such thing as a 'fully funded' NHS, giving them more and more money is like giving an alchoholic more and more whiskey.

A wealth tax and higher corporation tax? The rich will just bugger off or move their money abroad as they did in the 70s under Healy's disastrous levels of taxation. In the past, the government has actually collected more in corporation tax with lower rates, when it is too high, companies find ways of avoiding it.

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The Tories are a mess, but Corbyn's legacy would have been a debt crisis we may never have crawled out from. You have kindly listed some of the expenses that would have caused that.

Starmer is infinitely preferable but does he represent the rank and file of Labour?

Blair was in power forever partly because he hoofed out Militant - at least their effect, was seen to distance the direct impact of the unions, and espoused centrist policies largely associated with the pragmatic, non-loony end of the conservatives. Kier has to find something similar and not just seek to be the anti-Tory. This 10% lead is transitory, popular knee-jerk, and great deal can happen between now and the GE.

All Fair Questions, and one that might be coming to a head. The issue of the xmas parties and lockdown breaches, I couldn't give a rats arse about - yes it doesn't paint the people doing it in a good light but it's not affecting the running of the country. But as far as I'm concerned it's just another stick being used to crowbar Boris out the door with (of which there is a growing number, tis true).
Not sure you can levy 'excess deaths' at them - Hindsight invariably shows a better way forward. In my opinion they've had to deal with 2 very difficult situations simultaneously. it's not been perfect, but I don't think it's been a disaster - well not anymore than it could have been under another leadership.

My main point is that the Opposition are too quick to point out blame and to create controversy to get power, rather than Oh I don't know, actually help the situation. Corbyn was great at it. Starmer, when he's not anonymous, is falling in line.

It's probably time to give someone else a go. but do I really want it to be Starmers Labour?

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

Boris is Prime Minster because moronic idiots refused to accept the result of the Brexit Referendum in 2016. In 2017, Corybn managed to get 40% of the British public to vote for him. In 2019, only 32%. What changed in that time? What dominated the entire political discourse?

Boris won because of the second referendum retards. That simple. And they gifted him such a huge majority that it inflated his already enormous ego even more.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

I don’t disagree - Labour’s Brexit position was a disaster.

I just don’t get the continued ‘can you imagine if it was Corbyn’ arguments after years of objectively atrocious governance… we now have the benefit of hindsight now and yet people roll out the same lines as if it is still 2017.

I can’t even imagine how bad a government would have to be to be worse than this, and yet people are still absolutely certain of it.