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HKOwen Hong Kong 08 Jan 22 12.37am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not unusually for a piece from the agenda driven, sensationalist, Daily Mail, the headlines and first paragraphs rely on the probability that most readers won't study the detail, understand it, or even read their own piece to the end. That the advice from the AJ on the legality of us joining the Americans was complicated, mixed and borderline is well known, and was when it was given. That's nothing new. Nor, I suspect, is it so unusual in such circumstances for a "for your eyes only" communication to be expected to be destroyed after reading, to ensure it did not reach other eyes. It was my understanding at the time that Blair was trying to reign back Bush and get him to adopt another strategy. Which is why it went to the UN. It is also my belief that a secret agreement was reached between Churchill and Roosevelt when the USA joined us in WW2, that committed the UK to supporting the USA, when requested to, in its military endeavours in specific areas of mutually shared interest. Including the Middle East. If true, and it's only a hunch based on observation, then Blair was between a rock and a hard place. Your understanding? No one would be surprised you were in a position to know what was going on. I really want to treat your arrogant pomposity as a parody but just can't quite do it.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Jan 22 9.35am | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Your understanding? No one would be surprised you were in a position to know what was going on. I really want to treat your arrogant pomposity as a parody but just can't quite do it. I was no more "in a position to know what was going on" than anyone else outside the cabinet. We won't know until their papers are released. What I remember is analysis at the time from a variety of experts that suggested this was the likely explanation, rather than the sensationalist newspaper headlines. As I will be long gone before the whole truth finally is revealed I will never have the pleasure of knowing it. If that is pompous then you use a different dictionary to mine. Both though will have a definition of rudeness. Might I suggest you look up its meaning.
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Badger11 Beckenham 08 Jan 22 10.17am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not unusually for a piece from the agenda driven, sensationalist, Daily Mail, the headlines and first paragraphs rely on the probability that most readers won't study the detail, understand it, or even read their own piece to the end. That the advice from the AJ on the legality of us joining the Americans was complicated, mixed and borderline is well known, and was when it was given. That's nothing new. Nor, I suspect, is it so unusual in such circumstances for a "for your eyes only" communication to be expected to be destroyed after reading, to ensure it did not reach other eyes. It was my understanding at the time that Blair was trying to reign back Bush and get him to adopt another strategy. Which is why it went to the UN. It is also my belief that a secret agreement was reached between Churchill and Roosevelt when the USA joined us in WW2, that committed the UK to supporting the USA, when requested to, in its military endeavours in specific areas of mutually shared interest. Including the Middle East. If true, and it's only a hunch based on observation, then Blair was between a rock and a hard place. Of course he could always have told Bush No the UK is not getting involved. Harold Wilson did that about Vietnam. Blair was sucking up to Bush god knows why and going to the UN is hardly any comfort to the hundreds of thousands of people who died.
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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 08 Jan 22 11.57am | |
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There were 44 petitions drawn up, all basically calling for the same thing - to stop Blair getting knighted. All have been rejected despite having gained more than 1 million signatures. Travesty.
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Badger11 Beckenham 08 Jan 22 12.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer
There were 44 petitions drawn up, all basically calling for the same thing - to stop Blair getting knighted. All have been rejected despite having gained more than 1 million signatures. Travesty. What a joke. So you have a petitions process (which the HOC ignore anyway after a brief debate) but only on what they want you to vote on. Democracy in action.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Jan 22 12.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Of course he could always have told Bush No the UK is not getting involved. Harold Wilson did that about Vietnam. Blair was sucking up to Bush god knows why and going to the UN is hardly any comfort to the hundreds of thousands of people who died. My explanation for that is in my final paragraph.
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steeleye20 Croydon 08 Jan 22 2.39pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
My explanation for that is in my final paragraph. Going to the UN was not appreciated by Bush at all and gave Sadaam the chance to avoid war. It is not clear why Sadaam did not comply with UN resolutions he did not have the weapons anyway. But the only conclusion that could be drawn was that he had them.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 08 Jan 22 2.52pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Going to the UN was not appreciated by Bush at all and gave Sadaam the chance to avoid war. It is not clear why Sadaam did not comply with UN resolutions he did not have the weapons anyway. But the only conclusion that could be drawn was that he had them. Ask David Kelly about that.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 08 Jan 22 3.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I was no more "in a position to know what was going on" than anyone else outside the cabinet. We won't know until their papers are released. What I remember is analysis at the time from a variety of experts that suggested this was the likely explanation, rather than the sensationalist newspaper headlines. As I will be long gone before the whole truth finally is revealed I will never have the pleasure of knowing it. If that is pompous then you use a different dictionary to mine. Both though will have a definition of rudeness. Might I suggest you look up its meaning. I double checked my dictionary entry for pompous and it was appropriate, thanks for asking
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cryrst The garden of England 08 Jan 22 3.46pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Going to the UN was not appreciated by Bush at all and gave Sadaam the chance to avoid war. It is not clear why Sadaam did not comply with UN resolutions he did not have the weapons anyway. But the only conclusion that could be drawn was that he Edited by cryrst (09 Jan 2022 6.03am)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Jan 22 10.50pm | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
I double checked my dictionary entry for pompous and it was appropriate, thanks for asking My dictionary says pompous is "affectedly grand, solemn, or self-important". So I disagree, because I don't think I am really any of those things. I think you just object to my writing style. Which is fine. If you don't like it, don't read it. I promise you I won't mind in the least. It was rudeness that I was actually suggesting you check. My dictionary says rudeness is a "lack of manners; discourteousness". Which I think fits your responses pretty well. As this is a long way away from New Year Honours I will leave it there. It's really not important.
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georgenorman 09 Jan 22 9.43am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
My dictionary says pompous is "affectedly grand, solemn, or self-important". So I disagree, because I don't think I am really any of those things. I think you just object to my writing style. Which is fine. If you don't like it, don't read it. I promise you I won't mind in the least. It was rudeness that I was actually suggesting you check. My dictionary says rudeness is a "lack of manners; discourteousness". Which I think fits your responses pretty well. As this is a long way away from New Year Honours I will leave it there. It's really not important. Look up philodox.
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