As I said earlier, if we maintain current ratios wins and draws we should make 41 points come next May and as others have said there is no obvious dead cert relegation club in the bottom half of PL so this is going to be a long hard battle to the wire. currently and compared with this time last season we are two points worse off, but we do have four clean sheets under PV compared to one last year. Goals scored are the same 19.

I fully agree, we are a new team with a new coach and we are very much still learning our craft, we still need to eliminate silly mistakes at the back which have been costly so far and we need a modern striker that has more ability and presses in to the box, something Benteke has never been able to do. Hopefully, a couple of good additions in the next transfer window will help the cause and a win today would be a good start and give us some space from the drop zone!

We all know the football under Roy was a tough watch. But you have to say that the ends justified the means with the players he had. Well, I do anyway !

But it's a fact that it's increasingly more difficult to win games in the Prem. Even the Top Three yesterday needed penalties.

Yes, PV is trying to take us in a totally different direction football wise. But it's going to take time to properly embed it. There will and has been bumps in the road.

I don't think it's a '' doom and gloom '' outlook to accept that in a tight division we are currently in a potential relegation mix with 10 other clubs. No doubt if we win the next three games, some on here will be talking Europe again !

Old, Ungifted and White

Not a lot,, there is more going right, we are going in the right direction, we are on a form blip, the last 3 games have been on the finest of margins. Even pat in his latest presser said he expected periods like this. The football has infitly better so far ..a breath of fresh air, we were perhaps getting ahead of ourselves after a couple good wins.

We are a midtable team, that can run the best on our day, hoping to go up a couple notches. When all our attacking talent is fit and avaible and pat can work out the formation that gives them all chances, we could be super exciting, pat and the team are learning all the time.

But most of us have that rollercoaster mentality waiting for defeat being snatched from the jaws of victory.
Our beautiful club has never conformed to convention, losing when shouldn't, winning when all the odds are against, any that has not seen where eagles dare,,sums it up , that's why we are a special club. Just enjoy it!

We played utd and villa on new manager bounces, and there is no is disgrace in losing by fine margins at o/t or Elland Road. We didn't get gubbed or play shocking with no soul.
We will gubbins someone soon, ( hopefully Everton today)
Then possibly lose the next one with a team setup to block us, thats football,,and why pools wins were hard to come by.
But pat is a winner and he bit by bit changing the mentality , it was never gonna be a instant turnaround,,we are on the right track

Looking up not down. Needed that win, saints and wathug will try to spoil him.