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DanH SW2 16 Jul 21 8.26pm
Originally posted by Matov Racism sells. People love it when they have the chance to display their own anti-racist credentials. It's the middle-class version of when the inhabitants of a council estate think there is a paedo living amongst them. That level of pitchfork bearing, torch waving hysteria. A genuine dopamine rush. I genuinely think that if there was a nationwide scheme of awarding stars, like you might see on an employee in a fast-food restaurant, for being 'anti' all the usual stuff, then it would become a glorious pissing contest as people sort to out do each other. Virtue signalling is just a form of addiction. And like all junkies, difficult to reason with the addicts. Gotta have their fix, no matter what. You realise some people are actually just nice people don’t you?
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DanH

SW2 16 Jul 21 8.26pm

Originally posted by Matov

Racism sells. People love it when they have the chance to display their own anti-racist credentials. It's the middle-class version of when the inhabitants of a council estate think there is a paedo living amongst them. That level of pitchfork bearing, torch waving hysteria.

A genuine dopamine rush. I genuinely think that if there was a nationwide scheme of awarding stars, like you might see on an employee in a fast-food restaurant, for being 'anti' all the usual stuff, then it would become a glorious pissing contest as people sort to out do each other.

Virtue signalling is just a form of addiction. And like all junkies, difficult to reason with the addicts. Gotta have their fix, no matter what.

You realise some people are actually just nice people don’t you?

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Stirlingsays 16 Jul 21 8.32pm
Originally posted by DanH You realise some people are actually just nice people don’t you? Admit it Dan, he kind of hit the nail on the head. You can scratch the sore spot, he won't mind. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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16 Jul 21 8.32pm

Originally posted by DanH

You realise some people are actually just nice people don’t you?

Admit it Dan, he kind of hit the nail on the head.

You can scratch the sore spot, he won't mind.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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DanH SW2 16 Jul 21 9.03pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Admit it Dan, he kind of hit the nail on the head. You can scratch the sore spot, he won't mind. No doubt some do but I find it genuinely sad that some people go through life believing that of everyone. It must be exhausting and age you awfully being that cynical about everyone. There are some good eggs out there. Not as many as I’d like but some people are genuinely just decent people that give a sh*t about others. Edited by DanH (16 Jul 2021 9.03pm)
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SW2 16 Jul 21 9.03pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Admit it Dan, he kind of hit the nail on the head.

You can scratch the sore spot, he won't mind.

No doubt some do but I find it genuinely sad that some people go through life believing that of everyone. It must be exhausting and age you awfully being that cynical about everyone.

There are some good eggs out there. Not as many as I’d like but some people are genuinely just decent people that give a sh*t about others.

Edited by DanH (16 Jul 2021 9.03pm)

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Stirlingsays 16 Jul 21 9.12pm
Originally posted by DanH No doubt some do but I find it genuinely sad that some people go through life believing that of everyone. It must be exhausting and age you awfully being that cynical about everyone. There are some good eggs out there. Not as many as I’d like but some people are genuinely just decent people that give a sh*t about others. Edited by DanH (16 Jul 2021 9.03pm) You think that people who disagree with progressive ideas don't care about others? I think what's probably more accurate is that they have different perspectives on what makes a better world. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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16 Jul 21 9.12pm

Originally posted by DanH

No doubt some do but I find it genuinely sad that some people go through life believing that of everyone. It must be exhausting and age you awfully being that cynical about everyone.

There are some good eggs out there. Not as many as I’d like but some people are genuinely just decent people that give a sh*t about others.

Edited by DanH (16 Jul 2021 9.03pm)

You think that people who disagree with progressive ideas don't care about others?

I think what's probably more accurate is that they have different perspectives on what makes a better world.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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DanH SW2 16 Jul 21 9.15pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You think that people who disagree with progressive ideas don't care about others? I think what's probably more accurate is that they have different perspectives on what makes a better world. Nah that’s putting words in my mouth. You were a teacher. I know you care about others (ish ). To think everyone who’s anti-racist and similar is just doing it out of some cynical virtue signalling motive rather than just doing it because it’s the right thing to do is depressing to me.
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SW2 16 Jul 21 9.15pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You think that people who disagree with progressive ideas don't care about others?

I think what's probably more accurate is that they have different perspectives on what makes a better world.

Nah that’s putting words in my mouth. You were a teacher. I know you care about others (ish ). To think everyone who’s anti-racist and similar is just doing it out of some cynical virtue signalling motive rather than just doing it because it’s the right thing to do is depressing to me.

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Hrolf The Ganger 16 Jul 21 9.16pm
Originally posted by DanH You realise some people are actually just nice people don’t you? There is a difference between nice and gullible.
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16 Jul 21 9.16pm

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Originally posted by DanH

You realise some people are actually just nice people don’t you?

There is a difference between nice and gullible.

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Stirlingsays 16 Jul 21 9.29pm
Originally posted by DanH Nah that’s putting words in my mouth. You were a teacher. I know you care about others (ish ). To think everyone who’s anti-racist and similar is just doing it out of some cynical virtue signalling motive rather than just doing it because it’s the right thing to do is depressing to me. I'm not sure that's quite what he means either. As for me, I don't believe in 'anti racism', because I believe the concept, like egalitarianism itself, is fundamentally flawed and contradictory. However, there are aspects of it that I like....like the worth of human life (which is why I'm generally anti abortion). However, what you think is being a 'nice person' involves a system that is pretty nasty to people who don't agree with it......whereas someone like me accepts the right of everyone to hold different views. Indeed, I think the better solution is that ideologically people should be able to live in places that reflect their beliefs......which is kind of happening as we speak in America for example. The differences between California and Texas for example really reflect different ways of seeing the world. I think the better way forward for the west is more social decentralisation as a way of avoiding internal conflict and repression. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jul 2021 9.32pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

16 Jul 21 9.29pm

Originally posted by DanH

I'm not sure that's quite what he means either.

As for me, I don't believe in 'anti racism', because I believe the concept, like egalitarianism itself, is fundamentally flawed and contradictory.

However, there are aspects of it that I like....like the worth of human life (which is why I'm generally anti abortion).

However, what you think is being a 'nice person' involves a system that is pretty nasty to people who don't agree with it......whereas someone like me accepts the right of everyone to hold different views.

Indeed, I think the better solution is that ideologically people should be able to live in places that reflect their beliefs......which is kind of happening as we speak in America for example.

The differences between California and Texas for example really reflect different ways of seeing the world.

I think the better way forward for the west is more social decentralisation as a way of avoiding internal conflict and repression.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jul 2021 9.32pm)

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cryrst The garden of England 16 Jul 21 9.31pm
Originally posted by DanH No doubt some do but I find it genuinely sad that some people go through life believing that of everyone. It must be exhausting and age you awfully being that cynical about everyone. There are some good eggs out there. Not as many as I’d like but some people are genuinely just decent people that give a sh*t about others. Edited by DanH (16 Jul 2021 9.03pm) What is your definition of nice then. In certain situations everyone can and will be nice. In certain situations everyone can be not very nice. Someone who kneels is nice? Someone who votes tory is not nice? I'm confused danh, can you put a bit more meat on the bone, as think you've gone down a cul de sac with no steering or reverse gear.
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The garden of England 16 Jul 21 9.31pm

Originally posted by DanH

No doubt some do but I find it genuinely sad that some people go through life believing that of everyone. It must be exhausting and age you awfully being that cynical about everyone.

There are some good eggs out there. Not as many as I’d like but some people are genuinely just decent people that give a sh*t about others.

Edited by DanH (16 Jul 2021 9.03pm)

What is your definition of nice then. In certain situations everyone can and will be nice. In certain situations everyone can be not very nice.
Someone who kneels is nice? Someone who votes tory is not nice? I'm confused danh, can you put a bit more meat on the bone, as think you've gone down a cul de sac with no steering or reverse gear.

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DanH SW2 16 Jul 21 9.37pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger There is a difference between nice and gullible. Maybe when I’m your age and (pushing) 60 I’ll be as cynical as you Long way to go yet though.
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DanH

SW2 16 Jul 21 9.37pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

There is a difference between nice and gullible.

Maybe when I’m your age and (pushing) 60 I’ll be as cynical as you Long way to go yet though.

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DanH SW2 16 Jul 21 9.43pm
Originally posted by cryrst What is your definition of nice then. In certain situations everyone can and will be nice. In certain situations everyone can be not very nice. Someone who kneels is nice? Someone who votes tory is not nice? I'm confused danh, can you put a bit more meat on the bone, as think you've gone down a cul de sac with no steering or reverse gear. What you did to that homeless guy was extremely nice. Did you do that to make yourself feel good or did you do it because you were trying to help someone worse off than you? Matov’s point was that people only did what you did out of some sort of virtuous point scoring rather than just doing something that’s ‘nice’ and helping out someone else.
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SW2 16 Jul 21 9.43pm

Originally posted by cryrst

What you did to that homeless guy was extremely nice. Did you do that to make yourself feel good or did you do it because you were trying to help someone worse off than you?

Matov’s point was that people only did what you did out of some sort of virtuous point scoring rather than just doing something that’s ‘nice’ and helping out someone else.

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DanH SW2 16 Jul 21 9.47pm
Originally posted by DanH What you did to that homeless guy was extremely nice.. Just realised this sounds all sorts of wrong. I’m sure you didn’t do that. Edited by DanH (16 Jul 2021 9.48pm)
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SW2 16 Jul 21 9.47pm

Originally posted by DanH

What you did to that homeless guy was extremely nice..

Just realised this sounds all sorts of wrong. I’m sure you didn’t do *that*.

Edited by DanH (16 Jul 2021 9.48pm)

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cryrst The garden of England 16 Jul 21 10.00pm
Originally posted by DanH What you did to that homeless guy was extremely nice. Did you do that to make yourself feel good or did you do it because you were trying to help someone worse off than you? Matov’s point was that people only did what you did out of some sort of virtuous point scoring rather than just doing something that’s ‘nice’ and helping out someone else. I do it because i can, whenever I can. There were years past where a meal was a struggle for me and my wife and daughter. Beans on toast for a week. They may actually be better off than me and blagging it. You have missed matovs point. I said there are two ways of reading things. It's like the environmental lobbies. Even if you think it's bollox you feel you have to agree or you are ostracised and cancelled. Its the same with racism. Its there but not as much as its portrayed. Try being a celeb and say that. You goner be cancelled and career done. Virtue signalling for self preservation. Basically morally bankrupt individuals and there are millions of them. Then they get on the moral high ground when matt Hancock kisses some tart. Do you see the point i think matov is making now. Although it's not beyond the realms I'm wrong, it has happened before
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The garden of England 16 Jul 21 10.00pm

Originally posted by DanH

What you did to that homeless guy was extremely nice. Did you do that to make yourself feel good or did you do it because you were trying to help someone worse off than you?

Matov’s point was that people only did what you did out of some sort of virtuous point scoring rather than just doing something that’s ‘nice’ and helping out someone else.

I do it because i can, whenever I can. There were years past where a meal was a struggle for me and my wife and daughter. Beans on toast for a week. They may actually be better off than me and blagging it.
You have missed matovs point. I said there are two ways of reading things. It's like the environmental lobbies.
Even if you think it's bollox you feel you have to agree or you are ostracised and cancelled. Its the same with racism. Its there but not as much as its portrayed.
Try being a celeb and say that. You goner be cancelled and career done. Virtue signalling for self preservation. Basically morally bankrupt individuals and there are millions of them. Then they get on the moral high ground when matt Hancock kisses some tart.
Do you see the point i think matov is making now.
Although it's not beyond the realms I'm wrong, it has happened before

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