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 madcap_v2  SE25 / Ibiza 24 May 21 12.02pm |
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Would Cummings not have a verified twitter account? It seems he would be a prime candidate for verification given his position and the propensity for people to spread fake news these days
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 25 May 21 10.03am |
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Hancock gets Cummings’ wrath tomorrow (oo-er) One to look forward to. Hancock is a danger to the nation’s health and wellbeing.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 25 May 21 10.10am |
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I accept that the government was clueless in the first part of the pandemic. However Cummings is saying it was policy to go for herd immunity and yet this is not backed up by the experts. If he is not careful he will overplay his hand he should stick to the accusations he can prove.
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| DanH SW2 26 May 21 10.26am |
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Fascinating insight so far. Would be enough to bury most governments but fully expecting a +5 boost in the polls for this Teflon bunch of charlatans.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 26 May 21 12.06pm |
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Cummins ridiculing Johnson's trivialising of covid19 against all the evidence.
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| DanH SW2 26 May 21 12.07pm |
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Quite the set list so far [Tweet Link]
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| Mstrobez 26 May 21 12.17pm |
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Cummings perfectly encapsulates the phrase "if you lie with dogs, you get fleas".
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| Mstrobez 26 May 21 12.20pm |
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Just out of interest, why is everyone losing their s*** over the notion that herd immunity was a "strategy"? Surely, herd immunity is not a strategy, merely an ultimate scientific reality in the vast majority of viruses. Isn't everyone in the world aiming for herd immunity one way or the other? Isn't herd immunity the precise purpose of vaccination?
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| DanH SW2 26 May 21 12.24pm |
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
Just out of interest, why is everyone losing their s*** over the notion that herd immunity was a "strategy"? Surely, herd immunity is not a strategy, merely an ultimate scientific reality in the vast majority of viruses. Isn't everyone in the world aiming for herd immunity one way or the other? Isn't herd immunity the precise purpose of vaccination? Yeah don’t think anyone is questioning that part of it - more that the initial strategy was herd immunity without vaccination as it would not be available until 2021. They were going to be quite happy to let it spread naturally throughout the population and take the collateral damage that came with it. They only changed course when the numbers of deaths and the NHS being overwhelmed to the extent that it could do nothing else became more obvious than it already should have been.
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| Mstrobez 26 May 21 12.29pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Yeah don’t think anyone is questioning that part of it - more that the initial strategy was herd immunity without vaccination as it would not be available until 2021. They were going to be quite happy to let it spread naturally throughout the population and take the collateral damage that came with it. They only changed course when the numbers of deaths and the NHS being overwhelmed to the extent that it could do nothing else became more obvious than it already should have been. Fine, but there was never any guarantee of a vaccination in the first place. So of course herd immunity such as the one you mention would be on the table. There is going to be an economic fall out as a result of this, one which has the potential to plunge millions of people in the world into abject poverty. Healthcare systems are also on their knees as a result of Covid. This can also potentially kill a lot of people, but for some reason people only regard direct Covid deaths as the deaths that come about as a result of the pandemic. Also, there would surely be a variety of ways to obtain herd immunity, even without vaccination. It probably would've still involved a host measures and not simply throwing everyone into a big room and getting them to cough on eachother. Edited by Mstrobez (26 May 2021 12.31pm)
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| DanH SW2 26 May 21 12.42pm |
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
Fine, but there was never any guarantee of a vaccination in the first place. So of course herd immunity such as the one you mention would be on the table. There is going to be an economic fall out as a result of this, one which has the potential to plunge millions of people in the world into abject poverty. Healthcare systems are also on their knees as a result of Covid. This can also potentially kill a lot of people, but for some reason people only regard direct Covid deaths as the deaths that come about as a result of the pandemic. Also, there would surely be a variety of ways to obtain herd immunity, even without vaccination. It probably would've still involved a host measures and not simply throwing everyone into a big room and getting them to cough on eachother. Edited by Mstrobez (26 May 2021 12.31pm) A lot of the focus is on the lack of seriousness this was given at the start and a lack of any plan before it was all too late. It was obvious from what had happened in China and closer to home what was happening in Italy how serious this was and that achieving herd immunity through natural means in a short space of time would be catastrophic. There were plenty of means available to the government to stop the virus seeding here such as shutting borders, enforced quarantines and an effective track and trace system that would have kept virus numbers much, much lower and allowed people to have gone about their business with a lot more freedom than we have been allowed to over the last 15 months.
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| Mstrobez 26 May 21 12.49pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
A lot of the focus is on the lack of seriousness this was given at the start and a lack of any plan before it was all too late. It was obvious from what had happened in China and closer to home what was happening in Italy how serious this was and that achieving herd immunity through natural means in a short space of time would be catastrophic. There were plenty of means available to the government to stop the virus seeding here such as shutting borders, enforced quarantines and an effective track and trace system that would have kept virus numbers much, much lower and allowed people to have gone about their business with a lot more freedom than we have been allowed to over the last 15 months. Not really. It's not obvious at all that keeping the economy largely open with obvious caveats in the run up to developing a vaccine would've been any less "catastrophic", considering the economic consequences mentioned already. As for the rest of your comment, I'm not here to defend the Tories handling of the pandemic. It's just that when people get mad about "herd immunity", I'm not sure why.
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