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Mapletree Croydon 08 Jan 21 11.01am
A point of interest The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation is unsure whether the vaccine works well for those who are immunosuppressed and are not advising they be immunised. So those that say simply 'look after' the vulnerable and let others get on with their lives are missing the point. The vulnerable may never be in a position to live a normal life all the time the virus is massively circulating. The point is therefore we need to stop the virus to the extent possible. Those that can take the vaccine should so that we minimise the amount of virus in the overall world population.
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Mapletree

Croydon 08 Jan 21 11.01am

A point of interest

The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation is unsure whether the vaccine works well for those who are immunosuppressed and are not advising they be immunised.

So those that say simply 'look after' the vulnerable and let others get on with their lives are missing the point. The vulnerable may never be in a position to live a normal life all the time the virus is massively circulating.

The point is therefore we need to stop the virus to the extent possible. Those that can take the vaccine should so that we minimise the amount of virus in the overall world population.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Jan 21 11.18am
I have seen the argument advanced that in terms of the vaccine roll-out it would be more beneficial to target the younger more economically active and social population,especially the key workers who have most contact with the public,including teachers. It is felt that this change of strategy would reduce rates if infection in the wider community with some rapidity. Edited by Willo (08 Jan 2021 11.20am)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Jan 21 11.18am

I have seen the argument advanced that in terms of the vaccine roll-out it would be more beneficial to target the younger more economically active and social population,especially the key workers who have most contact with the public,including teachers.
It is felt that this change of strategy would reduce rates if infection in the wider community with some rapidity.

Edited by Willo (08 Jan 2021 11.20am)

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Eaglecoops CR3 08 Jan 21 12.49pm
Originally posted by Mapletree A point of interest The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation is unsure whether the vaccine works well for those who are immunosuppressed and are not advising they be immunised. So those that say simply 'look after' the vulnerable and let others get on with their lives are missing the point. The vulnerable may never be in a position to live a normal life all the time the virus is massively circulating. The point is therefore we need to stop the virus to the extent possible. Those that can take the vaccine should so that we minimise the amount of virus in the overall world population. Can you explain the science of how we are supposed to stop the virus given that we don’t know whether protecting yourself with the vaccine prevents it being carried or transmitted? We do not know if it might become like say the cold sore virus, something that never goes away and just lurks in the background. Protecting the vulnerable is not all about other people taking the vaccine, it’s about staying away unless you need to spend time with them. It’s a cruel harsh fact but until they can show that not getting ill with it stops transmission those who are immune compromised are stuck with social distancing as the only line of defence.
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Eaglecoops

CR3 08 Jan 21 12.49pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

A point of interest

The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation is unsure whether the vaccine works well for those who are immunosuppressed and are not advising they be immunised.

The point is therefore we need to stop the virus to the extent possible. Those that can take the vaccine should so that we minimise the amount of virus in the overall world population.

Can you explain the science of how we are supposed to stop the virus given that we don’t know whether protecting yourself with the vaccine prevents it being carried or transmitted?

We do not know if it might become like say the cold sore virus, something that never goes away and just lurks in the background.

Protecting the vulnerable is not all about other people taking the vaccine, it’s about staying away unless you need to spend time with them. It’s a cruel harsh fact but until they can show that not getting ill with it stops transmission those who are immune compromised are stuck with social distancing as the only line of defence.

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Teddy Eagle 08 Jan 21 1.18pm
Originally posted by Willo I have seen the argument advanced that in terms of the vaccine roll-out it would be more beneficial to target the younger more economically active and social population,especially the key workers who have most contact with the public,including teachers. It is felt that this change of strategy would reduce rates if infection in the wider community with some rapidity. Edited by Willo (08 Jan 2021 11.20am) I’ve read that Indonesia are taking this approach. Since there are about 270m people there, many in rural areas, they’ve got a big job on their hands. On the face of it this policy of getting the economy back up and running whilst vulnerable people isolate for longer seems to make sense.
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Teddy Eagle

08 Jan 21 1.18pm

Originally posted by Willo

Edited by Willo (08 Jan 2021 11.20am)

I’ve read that Indonesia are taking this approach. Since there are about 270m people there, many in rural areas, they’ve got a big job on their hands.
On the face of it this policy of getting the economy back up and running whilst vulnerable people isolate for longer seems to make sense.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Jan 21 1.22pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Can you explain the science of how we are supposed to stop the virus given that we don’t know whether protecting yourself with the vaccine prevents it being carried or transmitted? We do not know if it might become like say the cold sore virus, something that never goes away and just lurks in the background. Protecting the vulnerable is not all about other people taking the vaccine, it’s about staying away unless you need to spend time with them. It’s a cruel harsh fact but until they can show that not getting ill with it stops transmission those who are immune compromised are stuck with social distancing as the only line of defence. Which is exactly what I’d do. I was amazed at how many people suddenly came out when masks were made compulsory. Just didn’t make sense to me. Someone I speak to has said they’re immunosuppressed. While smoking outdoors and obviously blowing their smoke and exhalation further in my direction they come gradually closer to me as I gradually start stepping away. All this has gone on too long to be bothered by it or you’ll lose the plot. I just adapt to what others are doing. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 08 Jan 21 1.22pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Can you explain the science of how we are supposed to stop the virus given that we don’t know whether protecting yourself with the vaccine prevents it being carried or transmitted?

We do not know if it might become like say the cold sore virus, something that never goes away and just lurks in the background.

Protecting the vulnerable is not all about other people taking the vaccine, it’s about staying away unless you need to spend time with them. It’s a cruel harsh fact but until they can show that not getting ill with it stops transmission those who are immune compromised are stuck with social distancing as the only line of defence.

Which is exactly what I’d do. I was amazed at how many people suddenly came out when masks were made compulsory. Just didn’t make sense to me. Someone I speak to has said they’re immunosuppressed. While smoking outdoors and obviously blowing their smoke and exhalation further in my direction they come gradually closer to me as I gradually start stepping away. All this has gone on too long to be bothered by it or you’ll lose the plot. I just adapt to what others are doing.

COYP

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Jan 21 2.12pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle I’ve read that Indonesia are taking this approach. Since there are about 270m people there, many in rural areas, they’ve got a big job on their hands. On the face of it this policy of getting the economy back up and running whilst vulnerable people isolate for longer seems to make sense. There has been the argument advanced that the main aim is to halt the transmission of the disease but that vaccinating the elderly and those with chronic conditions will only have a limited impact. Most of these people are likely to be 'Shielding' already and these people are not those largely responsible for the spread of the virus.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Jan 21 2.12pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

There has been the argument advanced that the main aim is to halt the transmission of the disease but that vaccinating the elderly and those with chronic conditions will only have a limited impact.
Most of these people are likely to be 'Shielding' already and these people are not those largely responsible for the spread of the virus.

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Mapletree Croydon 08 Jan 21 3.11pm
Originally posted by Willo There has been the argument advanced that the main aim is to halt the transmission of the disease but that vaccinating the elderly and those with chronic conditions will only have a limited impact. Most of these people are likely to be 'Shielding' already and these people are not those largely responsible for the spread of the virus. But if they catch it there is a reasonable chance they will die or at least go into ITU. Given the current situation in ITUs I think it's sensible to vaccinate those most likely to need them first, don't you? In the end even those that shield will find the virus ultimately breaches their defences. A frozen meal here, a District Nurse there.
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Mapletree

Croydon 08 Jan 21 3.11pm

Originally posted by Willo

But if they catch it there is a reasonable chance they will die or at least go into ITU. Given the current situation in ITUs I think it's sensible to vaccinate those most likely to need them first, don't you?

In the end even those that shield will find the virus ultimately breaches their defences. A frozen meal here, a District Nurse there.

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Mapletree Croydon 08 Jan 21 3.12pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Can you explain the science of how we are supposed to stop the virus given that we don’t know whether protecting yourself with the vaccine prevents it being carried or transmitted? We do not know if it might become like say the cold sore virus, something that never goes away and just lurks in the background. Protecting the vulnerable is not all about other people taking the vaccine, it’s about staying away unless you need to spend time with them. It’s a cruel harsh fact but until they can show that not getting ill with it stops transmission those who are immune compromised are stuck with social distancing as the only line of defence. Yes, I can explain the science.
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Mapletree

Croydon 08 Jan 21 3.12pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Can you explain the science of how we are supposed to stop the virus given that we don’t know whether protecting yourself with the vaccine prevents it being carried or transmitted?

We do not know if it might become like say the cold sore virus, something that never goes away and just lurks in the background.

Yes, I can explain the science.

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Spiderman Horsham 08 Jan 21 3.16pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops That is way too wonderfully detailed for someone who has never been there. I am pretty sure there was life before Mrs Willo. But then the Great War broke out
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Spiderman

Horsham 08 Jan 21 3.16pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

That is way too wonderfully detailed for someone who has never been there. I am pretty sure there was life before Mrs Willo.

But then the Great War broke out

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Teddy Eagle 08 Jan 21 3.21pm
Originally posted by Mapletree But if they catch it there is a reasonable chance they will die or at least go into ITU. Given the current situation in ITUs I think it's sensible to vaccinate those most likely to need them first, don't you? In the end even those that shield will find the virus ultimately breaches their defences. A frozen meal here, a District Nurse there. I think the situation in some countries is different in that they don’t have the same care home set up and responsibility falls more on the families concerned.
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Teddy Eagle

08 Jan 21 3.21pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

In the end even those that shield will find the virus ultimately breaches their defences. A frozen meal here, a District Nurse there.

I think the situation in some countries is different in that they don’t have the same care home set up and responsibility falls more on the families concerned.

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BlueJay UK 08 Jan 21 3.39pm
Will leave this is here too, since it's relevant - It's thought that the Moderna vaccine may be effective for two years and "Bancel added his company was about to prove that its vaccine would also be effective against variants of the coronavirus seen in Britain and South Africa." [Link] Great news if true. More data needed, but potentially positive at least
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BlueJay

UK 08 Jan 21 3.39pm

Will leave this is here too, since it's relevant -

It's thought that the Moderna vaccine may be effective for two years and

"Bancel added his company was about to prove that its vaccine would also be effective against variants of the coronavirus seen in Britain and South Africa."

[Link]

Great news if true. More data needed, but potentially positive at least

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Teddy Eagle 08 Jan 21 3.45pm
Originally posted by BlueJay Will leave this is here too, since it's relevant - It's thought that the Moderna vaccine may be effective for two years and "Bancel added his company was about to prove that its vaccine would also be effective against variants of the coronavirus seen in Britain and South Africa." [Link] Great news if true. More data needed, but potentially positive at least Yes, potentially very good news. [Link]
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Teddy Eagle

08 Jan 21 3.45pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

Will leave this is here too, since it's relevant -

It's thought that the Moderna vaccine may be effective for two years and

"Bancel added his company was about to prove that its vaccine would also be effective against variants of the coronavirus seen in Britain and South Africa."

[Link]

Great news if true. More data needed, but potentially positive at least

Yes, potentially very good news.

[Link]

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