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Rudi Hedman Caterham 02 Jun 19 10.53am
Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle Just to clarify: Joshua did not swerve Wilder. An offer was put to Wilder which was turned down by the Wilder. Joshua will be fighting for his old belts in his next fight as he has already stated that he wishes to activate the re-match clause. In regards to what AJ brings to the table (with or without belts) is the potential for Wilder to make way more money than ever before due to AJ's box office sales. 8 thousand Brits flew out to watch lasts night fight. Wilder has had tile fights in his own back yard where he has not manged to get 8 thousand fans. In boxing money talks. Spot on. Wilder was deluding himself he deserved more of a % cut in a Joshua v Wilder fight. Personally they should compromise more and get these fights done, but this is as much about the promoters and business managers and their reputations and finances as it is the boxers. A shame that such a great sport when the contests are even is controlled and manipulated in this way but they’ve all got their beaks in the pot so it’s to be expected, as is football tournaments and world cups being held in low populated countries with huge wealth or offering big money. I’m not interested in razmataz, just the sport, and as raw as possible, but everything good gets spoilt by greed. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 02 Jun 19 10.53am

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Just to clarify:

Joshua did not swerve Wilder. An offer was put to Wilder which was turned down by the Wilder.

Joshua will be fighting for his old belts in his next fight as he has already stated that he wishes to activate the re-match clause.

In regards to what AJ brings to the table (with or without belts) is the potential for Wilder to make way more money than ever before due to AJ's box office sales. 8 thousand Brits flew out to watch lasts night fight. Wilder has had tile fights in his own back yard where he has not manged to get 8 thousand fans. In boxing money talks.

Spot on. Wilder was deluding himself he deserved more of a % cut in a Joshua v Wilder fight. Personally they should compromise more and get these fights done, but this is as much about the promoters and business managers and their reputations and finances as it is the boxers. A shame that such a great sport when the contests are even is controlled and manipulated in this way but they’ve all got their beaks in the pot so it’s to be expected, as is football tournaments and world cups being held in low populated countries with huge wealth or offering big money.

I’m not interested in razmataz, just the sport, and as raw as possible, but everything good gets spoilt by greed.

COYP

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Invalid user 2019 02 Jun 19 11.52am
Originally posted by the.universal I read on the bbc before the fight that this was the first training camp that AJ didn’t feel ‘burnt out’ from. Maybe on reflection that hints at cutting a few corners in his preparation. Yes, I expect getting into the right mindset for what was supposed to be a walkover becomes a lot to process when you realise it's not. In fairness to him, he's never overly bothered with endurance his whole career, because he's rarely needed it . If he'd knocked Ruiz out in round 3 like he almost did, we wouldn't be having this conversation so it's a strategy that's served him well so far. Back to the drawing board now though perhaps. He was out on his feet after those two early knockdowns and I don't think he recovered. Beyond that, Ruiz is not only strong, but has deceptively fast reflexes and a tight defense for a fat guy. I just thought AJ would figure out his style and make fast work of this, but that just didn't ever happen. Still, I'm sure he'll be back. Out of all of the heavyweights on the scene he's one of the more respectful and disciplined with tremendous knockout power so I'll be cheering him on in the rematch.. if it happens.
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Invalid user 2019

02 Jun 19 11.52am

Originally posted by the.universal

I read on the bbc before the fight that this was the first training camp that AJ didn’t feel ‘burnt out’ from. Maybe on reflection that hints at cutting a few corners in his preparation.

Yes, I expect getting into the right mindset for what was supposed to be a walkover becomes a lot to process when you realise it's not. In fairness to him, he's never overly bothered with endurance his whole career, because he's rarely needed it . If he'd knocked Ruiz out in round 3 like he almost did, we wouldn't be having this conversation so it's a strategy that's served him well so far. Back to the drawing board now though perhaps.

He was out on his feet after those two early knockdowns and I don't think he recovered. Beyond that, Ruiz is not only strong, but has deceptively fast reflexes and a tight defense for a fat guy. I just thought AJ would figure out his style and make fast work of this, but that just didn't ever happen. Still, I'm sure he'll be back. Out of all of the heavyweights on the scene he's one of the more respectful and disciplined with tremendous knockout power so I'll be cheering him on in the rematch.. if it happens.

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Hrolf The Ganger 02 Jun 19 12.14pm
I'm afraid this fight confirms what I always feared about Joshua. He isn't very good. His boxing is mediocre and he goes into panic mode when he gets hit. Ruiz exposed his lack of ability. Out of the big three, only Fury can box. The current heavyweight renaissance is largely based on smoke and mirrors.
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I'm afraid this fight confirms what I always feared about Joshua. He isn't very good.
His boxing is mediocre and he goes into panic mode when he gets hit. Ruiz exposed his lack of ability.

Out of the big three, only Fury can box. The current heavyweight renaissance is largely based on smoke and mirrors.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Jun 19 12.15pm
Originally posted by dollardays Yes, I expect getting into the right mindset for what was supposed to be a walkover becomes a lot to process when you realise it's not. In fairness to him, he's never overly bothered with endurance his whole career, because he's rarely needed it . If he'd knocked Ruiz out in round 3 like he almost did, we wouldn't be having this conversation so it's a strategy that's served him well so far. Back to the drawing board now though perhaps. He was out on his feet after those two early knockdowns and I don't think he recovered. Beyond that, Ruiz is not only strong, but has deceptively fast reflexes and a tight defense for a fat guy. I just thought AJ would figure out his style and make fast work of this, but that just didn't ever happen. Still, I'm sure he'll be back. Out of all of the heavyweights on the scene he's one of the more respectful and disciplined with tremendous knockout power so I'll be cheering him on in the rematch.. if it happens. To think that Ruiz floored Joshua 4 times and he was a fighter with not that high a KO percentage - Only 64%. Was also down to an ageing Klitschko so his punch resistance has come under scrutiny. I suppose there will be a lot of knee-jerk reactions after this defeat but I have always felt that the hype has been greater than the substance. Edited by Willo (02 Jun 2019 12.17pm)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Jun 19 12.15pm

Originally posted by dollardays

He was out on his feet after those two early knockdowns and I don't think he recovered. Beyond that, Ruiz is not only strong, but has deceptively fast reflexes and a tight defense for a fat guy. I just thought AJ would figure out his style and make fast work of this, but that just didn't ever happen. Still, I'm sure he'll be back. Out of all of the heavyweights on the scene he's one of the more respectful and disciplined with tremendous knockout power so I'll be cheering him on in the rematch.. if it happens.

To think that Ruiz floored Joshua 4 times and he was a fighter with not that high a KO percentage - Only 64%.
Was also down to an ageing Klitschko so his punch resistance has come under scrutiny.

I suppose there will be a lot of knee-jerk reactions after this defeat but I have always felt that the hype has been greater than the substance.

Edited by Willo (02 Jun 2019 12.17pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 02 Jun 19 12.17pm
I was very surprised by the Katie Taylor fight. She was not her usual self. The occasion seemed to get to her.
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Hrolf The Ganger

02 Jun 19 12.17pm

I was very surprised by the Katie Taylor fight. She was not her usual self. The occasion seemed to get to her.

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Maine Eagle USA 02 Jun 19 2.21pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I was very surprised by the Katie Taylor fight. She was not her usual self. The occasion seemed to get to her. She was very lucky to get that decision. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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Maine Eagle

USA 02 Jun 19 2.21pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I was very surprised by the Katie Taylor fight. She was not her usual self. The occasion seemed to get to her.

She was very lucky to get that decision.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Maine Eagle USA 02 Jun 19 2.26pm
I wondered about Joshua at the moment Klitschko was stopped. He barely celebrated, he just walked back to his corner with a sort of rye smile. The way he took the defeat last night might show a bit of a lack of passion for the game. As for the fight, he showed way too much respect to Ruiz in the 1st round and let the Mexican get confident. When you have an enormous reach advantage not sticking the jab is criminal. He barely threw the jab all night and apart from the knock down he landed no power shots whatsoever. Strange performance and I question his desire for boxing. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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Maine Eagle

USA 02 Jun 19 2.26pm

I wondered about Joshua at the moment Klitschko was stopped. He barely celebrated, he just walked back to his corner with a sort of rye smile.

The way he took the defeat last night might show a bit of a lack of passion for the game.

As for the fight, he showed way too much respect to Ruiz in the 1st round and let the Mexican get confident.

When you have an enormous reach advantage not sticking the jab is criminal. He barely threw the jab all night and apart from the knock down he landed no power shots whatsoever.

Strange performance and I question his desire for boxing.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Stirlingsays 02 Jun 19 3.25pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle I wondered about Joshua at the moment Klitschko was stopped. He barely celebrated, he just walked back to his corner with a sort of rye smile. The way he took the defeat last night might show a bit of a lack of passion for the game. As for the fight, he showed way too much respect to Ruiz in the 1st round and let the Mexican get confident. When you have an enormous reach advantage not sticking the jab is criminal. He barely threw the jab all night and apart from the knock down he landed no power shots whatsoever. Strange performance and I question his desire for boxing. Seconded. It was a weird one. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

02 Jun 19 3.25pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

I wondered about Joshua at the moment Klitschko was stopped. He barely celebrated, he just walked back to his corner with a sort of rye smile.

The way he took the defeat last night might show a bit of a lack of passion for the game.

As for the fight, he showed way too much respect to Ruiz in the 1st round and let the Mexican get confident.

When you have an enormous reach advantage not sticking the jab is criminal. He barely threw the jab all night and apart from the knock down he landed no power shots whatsoever.

Strange performance and I question his desire for boxing.

Seconded.

It was a weird one.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 02 Jun 19 4.14pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle I wondered about Joshua at the moment Klitschko was stopped. He barely celebrated, he just walked back to his corner with a sort of rye smile. The way he took the defeat last night might show a bit of a lack of passion for the game. As for the fight, he showed way too much respect to Ruiz in the 1st round and let the Mexican get confident. When you have an enormous reach advantage not sticking the jab is criminal. He barely threw the jab all night and apart from the knock down he landed no power shots whatsoever. Strange performance and I question his desire for boxing. It's all an act from AJ nothing to do with not having passion inside he would of been shocked. AJ has been sleep walking for a long time and been looked after this is why he really has not gone up against the likes of Fury/Wilder Eddie Hearn is the problem. A few people I know that have been in boxing game for long time have been saying his training is all wrong he should be improving boxing skills yet he is going backwards way to stiff like a robot burning of too much energy with carrying too much muscle. (VPN) - [Link] (Alt VPN) - [Link]
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grumpymort

US/Thailand/UK 02 Jun 19 4.14pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

I wondered about Joshua at the moment Klitschko was stopped. He barely celebrated, he just walked back to his corner with a sort of rye smile.

The way he took the defeat last night might show a bit of a lack of passion for the game.

As for the fight, he showed way too much respect to Ruiz in the 1st round and let the Mexican get confident.

When you have an enormous reach advantage not sticking the jab is criminal. He barely threw the jab all night and apart from the knock down he landed no power shots whatsoever.

Strange performance and I question his desire for boxing.

It's all an act from AJ nothing to do with not having passion inside he would of been shocked.

AJ has been sleep walking for a long time and been looked after this is why he really has not gone up against the likes of Fury/Wilder Eddie Hearn is the problem.

A few people I know that have been in boxing game for long time have been saying his training is all wrong he should be improving boxing skills yet he is going backwards way to stiff like a robot burning of too much energy with carrying too much muscle.

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Badger11 Beckenham 02 Jun 19 4.36pm
Originally posted by grumpymort It's all an act from AJ nothing to do with not having passion inside he would of been shocked. AJ has been sleep walking for a long time and been looked after this is why he really has not gone up against the likes of Fury/Wilder Eddie Hearn is the problem. A few people I know that have been in boxing game for long time have been saying his training is all wrong he should be improving boxing skills yet he is going backwards way to stiff like a robot burning of too much energy with carrying too much muscle. I agree with a lot of this especially about the jab for a big man he doesn't seem very effective with it as he should. He does need to think about his training and maybe switch to a new trainer he has all the attributes but as you say he seems to have been going backwards lately. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 02 Jun 19 4.36pm

Originally posted by grumpymort

It's all an act from AJ nothing to do with not having passion inside he would of been shocked.

AJ has been sleep walking for a long time and been looked after this is why he really has not gone up against the likes of Fury/Wilder Eddie Hearn is the problem.

I agree with a lot of this especially about the jab for a big man he doesn't seem very effective with it as he should. He does need to think about his training and maybe switch to a new trainer he has all the attributes but as you say he seems to have been going backwards lately.

One more point

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