Got in a spat with a couple of those that have a residency on the BBS.

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They probably assume you will tip better...Until they realise you are English.

Thanks for confirming what I said. I knew you wouldn't agree with me but in using the term "pakistani rape gangs" you reveal much more than you intended. Neither of us know if the gangs in question are exclusively from one community but leaving that aside it is quite certain that even if they are they represent only a tiny minority of that community. To use that term is racist. It's as bad as classifying all the Irish as stupid, or all the English as racist. Everyone detests the idea that gang rapes happen and wants to see it eradicated. I am quite sure that the Police and social services are aware and have a long term strategy in place to do just that, by working quietly under the radar and with the various communities. I heard, only this morning, a community worker in Tower Hamlets saying how the Bangladeshi community there were strongly opposed to the way that Shamima Begum was indoctrinated into ISIS and very much wanted to embrace the British way of life. We need to work towards an objective and not just perform knee jerk reactions that make things worse by marginalising whole communities. That's why Robinson is a simplistic rabble rouser without any kind of real solution. He doesn't "point out realities". He tells half truths and winds people up.

As I said before there is a thin line between terrorism and freedom fighting. Context is everything. Mandela was fighting oppression and a great deal of violent behaviour from the apartheid regime but ultimately managed to find a way to avoid the bloodbath that I, and many others, expected in South Africa, through force of argument and compassion. So overall yes I support him because he saved many more lives than he lost.

Do you think that Martin Luther King wasn't self serving?

I do.

Do you think Malcolm X wasn't a racist?

He isn't someone I know too much about but it seems he was in his youth but learned not to be as he matured. Some can, some cannot.

'Racists attitudes to knife crime'?

There is a huge disproportion of knife crime committed by Black people when they make up only 3 to 5% of the population. That is not a racist statement. It is a fact. Recent terrorism against the majority in this country and Europe has been committed almost entirely by Islamist Muslims. That is a fact. How is accepting that 'racist'? Not that Muslims are a race of course.

See my remarks above. Facts need context. Responses need thought about what the final objective is and whether they help or hinder the achievement of that objective. Classifying criminals by their colour, religious belief or country of origin tends to associate all those people with the crime. To do so is to use racist language. We need to condemn the crime and the criminal but not make things worse through false associations.

With respect. In you own way, you are as nutty as people who deny the Holocaust.

The Holocaust is a matter of record for which the context has also been well described and equally condemned. Not so what we are now discussing.

Why are you so afraid to face the truth?

Oh I am not! I though try to see the whole truth and nothing but the truth whereas many here only look at partial truths, selecting those which fit their prejudices.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (14 Feb 2019 12.23pm)

Robinson is representative of the resentment widely felt by many people regarding pakistani rape gangs, terrorism and other immigration related issues. I doubt people think of him as much more than that. You might want to separate these issues to keep the flag flying for an idealistic view of multiculturalism but to point out the realities is not extremism. To agree with Robinson on certain issues is not to condone or support everything he may or may not have done.

Thanks for confirming what I said. I knew you wouldn't agree with me but in using the term "pakistani rape gangs" you reveal much more than you intended. Neither of us know if the gangs in question are exclusively from one community but leaving that aside it is quite certain that even if they are they represent only a tiny minority of that community. To use that term is racist. It's as bad as classifying all the Irish as stupid, or all the English as racist. Everyone detests the idea that gang rapes happen and wants to see it eradicated. I am quite sure that the Police and social services are aware and have a long term strategy in place to do just that, by working quietly under the radar and with the various communities. I heard, only this morning, a community worker in Tower Hamlets saying how the Bangladeshi community there were strongly opposed to the way that Shamima Begum was indoctrinated into ISIS and very much wanted to embrace the British way of life. We need to work towards an objective and not just perform knee jerk reactions that make things worse by marginalising whole communities. That's why Robinson is a simplistic rabble rouser without any kind of real solution. He doesn't "point out realities". He tells half truths and winds people up.

Did you support Nelson Mandella's Terrorism?

As I said before there is a thin line between terrorism and freedom fighting. Context is everything. Mandela was fighting oppression and a great deal of violent behaviour from the apartheid regime but ultimately managed to find a way to avoid the bloodbath that I, and many others, expected in South Africa, through force of argument and compassion. So overall yes I support him because he saved many more lives than he lost.

Do you think that Martin Luther King wasn't self serving?

I do.

Do you think Malcolm X wasn't a racist?

He isn't someone I know too much about but it seems he was in his youth but learned not to be as he matured. Some can, some cannot.

'Racists attitudes to knife crime'?

There is a huge disproportion of knife crime committed by Black people when they make up only 3 to 5% of the population. That is not a racist statement. It is a fact. Recent terrorism against the majority in this country and Europe has been committed almost entirely by Islamist Muslims. That is a fact. How is accepting that 'racist'? Not that Muslims are a race of course.

See my remarks above. Facts need context. Responses need thought about what the final objective is and whether they help or hinder the achievement of that objective. Classifying criminals by their colour, religious belief or country of origin tends to associate all those people with the crime. To do so is to use racist language. We need to condemn the crime and the criminal but not make things worse through false associations.

With respect. In you own way, you are as nutty as people who deny the Holocaust.

The Holocaust is a matter of record for which the context has also been well described and equally condemned. Not so what we are now discussing.

Why are you so afraid to face the truth?

Oh I am not! I though try to see the whole truth and nothing but the truth whereas many here only look at partial truths, selecting those which fit their prejudices.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (14 Feb 2019 12.23pm)