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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Dec 18 2.56pm
Originally posted by spartakev2 Having calmed down overnight, ladt night was 'one of those games'. We looked comfortable until the penalty and thought we were just starting to get back in the gane. The penalty was never a oenalty, the corner from their second goal was a goal kick. If both of those hadn't been given who knows what would happen. Them having a player sent off probably helped them, they just put 10 men behind the ball and it was obvious to the fans and the players we were never going to score 3 goals. Our defence, who havd been so consistent, had a nightmare first half....it happens. Let's see what happens against West ham.... Surely we cannot be as dreadful as last night.Or maybe we will ! Another inept defeat and I fear gladitorial hostility will be aimed at Messrs Parish and Hodgson.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Dec 18 2.56pm

Originally posted by spartakev2

Having calmed down overnight, ladt night was 'one of those games'. We looked comfortable until the penalty and thought we were just starting to get back in the gane. The penalty was never a oenalty, the corner from their second goal was a goal kick. If both of those hadn't been given who knows what would happen. Them having a player sent off probably helped them, they just put 10 men behind the ball and it was obvious to the fans and the players we were never going to score 3 goals. Our defence, who havd been so consistent, had a nightmare first half....it happens. Let's see what happens against West ham....

Surely we cannot be as dreadful as last night.Or maybe we will !

Another inept defeat and I fear gladitorial hostility will be aimed at Messrs Parish and Hodgson.

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boo909 Figeac 05 Dec 18 3.26pm
Not sure why people are exoecting anything from the January transfer window, from what Roy's said either he thinks that our lack of a decent striker isn't much of a problem or he's been told there's no money for it, I'm leaning towards the former tbh. [Link] Bangell - If Camus wrote The Myth of Sisyphus today, it would be about Jason Puncheon eternally trying and failing to pass with his right foot.
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Figeac 05 Dec 18 3.26pm

Not sure why people are exoecting anything from the January transfer window, from what Roy's said either he thinks that our lack of a decent striker isn't much of a problem or he's been told there's no money for it, I'm leaning towards the former tbh.

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Bangell - If Camus wrote The Myth of Sisyphus today, it would be about Jason Puncheon eternally trying and failing to pass with his right foot.

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Maine Eagle USA 05 Dec 18 3.32pm
Originally posted by Willo Surely we cannot be as dreadful as last night.Or maybe we will ! Another inept defeat and I fear gladitorial hostility will be aimed at Messrs Parish and Hodgson. We can be just as dreadful as our tactics and overall play allow. We have a fundamental problem in playing teams who setup like Brighton. If West Ham do the same defensively we will barely carve out a single chance and Zaha will be totally ineffective. The hostility may not be gladiatorial but perhaps more akin to the mob of screaming rabble who paid to watch the warriors fight. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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USA 05 Dec 18 3.32pm

Originally posted by Willo

Surely we cannot be as dreadful as last night.Or maybe we will !

Another inept defeat and I fear gladitorial hostility will be aimed at Messrs Parish and Hodgson.

We can be just as dreadful as our tactics and overall play allow.

We have a fundamental problem in playing teams who setup like Brighton. If West Ham do the same defensively we will barely carve out a single chance and Zaha will be totally ineffective.

The hostility may not be gladiatorial but perhaps more akin to the mob of screaming rabble who paid to watch the warriors fight.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Dec 18 3.33pm
I's sure supporters will be filled with glee and re-assured after reading what Hodgson has said : "At the moment, we have a number of attacking players, and [Christian] Benteke is not too far away. [Jordan] Ayew, [Alexander] Sorloth and [Connor] Wickham are all training every day and trying to get into the team"
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Dec 18 3.33pm

I's sure supporters will be filled with glee and re-assured after reading what Hodgson has said :

"At the moment, we have a number of attacking players, and [Christian] Benteke is not too far away. [Jordan] Ayew, [Alexander] Sorloth and [Connor] Wickham are all training every day and trying to get into the team"

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kev64 Cambs 05 Dec 18 4.17pm
Originally posted by Willo I's sure supporters will be filled with glee and re-assured after reading what Hodgson has said : "At the moment, we have a number of attacking players, and [Christian] Benteke is not too far away. [Jordan] Ayew, [Alexander] Sorloth and [Connor] Wickham are all training every day and trying to get into the team" Where do I sign up, I’ll be more than happy to attend training kick a ball about a bit and never actually make it into the team or god forbid score a goal for 30 to 120k a week
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Cambs 05 Dec 18 4.17pm

Originally posted by Willo

I's sure supporters will be filled with glee and re-assured after reading what Hodgson has said :

Where do I sign up, I’ll be more than happy to attend training kick a ball about a bit and never actually make it into the team or god forbid score a goal for 30 to 120k a week

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Dec 18 4.28pm
I suspect the £60+ million spent on transfers under the reigns of Allardyce and De Boer had a significant impact to the extent that under Hodgson the likes of Jach,Rakip,Sorloth etc have been signed.And I suspect it is still having an impact. Hodgson looks at his bench and sees no real game changers and these are the parameters within which he is working. Edited by Willo (05 Dec 2018 4.32pm)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Dec 18 4.28pm

I suspect the £60+ million spent on transfers under the reigns of Allardyce and De Boer had a significant impact to the extent that under Hodgson the likes of Jach,Rakip,Sorloth etc have been signed.And I suspect it is still having an impact.

Hodgson looks at his bench and sees no real game changers and these are the parameters within which he is working.

Edited by Willo (05 Dec 2018 4.32pm)

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PatrickA London 05 Dec 18 4.42pm
THE board will be negligent if they are at least not considering other options. Hughes kept Southampton up last year and Jovanacic did an outstanding job las year getting Fulham promoted. Both have been replaced and there has been no clamour or outrage as the decisions were understandable. Both clubs have similar records to Palace this season and neither manager was getting the best out of their resources. It’s not like Huddersfield, Cardiff and Burnley who have limited resources. If results don’t improve before Christmas the board may have to act despite Roy being a local chap and decent fellow. And it’s difficult to accept the argument , ‘but who would come in ?’ Do we want another Pardew situation where it’s allowed to drift?
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London 05 Dec 18 4.42pm

THE board will be negligent if they are at least not considering other options.
Hughes kept Southampton up last year and Jovanacic did an outstanding job las year getting Fulham promoted.
Both have been replaced and there has been no clamour or outrage as the decisions were understandable.
Both clubs have similar records to Palace this season and neither manager was getting the best out of their resources.
It’s not like Huddersfield, Cardiff and Burnley who have limited resources.
If results don’t improve before Christmas the board may have to act despite Roy being a local chap and decent fellow.
And it’s difficult to accept the argument , ‘but who would come in ?’
Do we want another Pardew situation where it’s allowed to drift?

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ARGILE OLD GEEZER PORTIMAO 05 Dec 18 4.56pm
Originally posted by NEILLO For me it's Parish. He's outlasted all the managerial appointments he's made and yet we continue to struggle and it doesn't matter who the manager is. In anything other than a football club he would be held accountable. All owners /chairman of football clubs outlast their Managers of course, but as you say, its the chairman who hires the manager,so i guess the buck lands on his desk, however, any time a club hires a manager their is a risk whoever the club or manager
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Originally posted by NEILLO

For me it's Parish.

He's outlasted all the managerial appointments he's made and yet we continue to struggle and it doesn't matter who the manager is.

In anything other than a football club he would be held accountable.

All owners /chairman of football clubs outlast their Managers of course, but as you say, its the chairman who hires the manager,so i guess the buck lands on his desk, however, any time a club hires a manager their is a risk whoever the club or manager

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Dec 18 5.04pm
Originally posted by PatrickA THE board will be negligent if they are at least not considering other options. Hughes kept Southampton up last year and Jovanacic did an outstanding job las year getting Fulham promoted. Both have been replaced and there has been no clamour or outrage as the decisions were understandable. Both clubs have similar records to Palace this season and neither manager was getting the best out of their resources. It’s not like Huddersfield, Cardiff and Burnley who have limited resources. If results don’t improve before Christmas the board may have to act despite Roy being a local chap and decent fellow. And it’s difficult to accept the argument , ‘but who would come in ?’ Do we want another Pardew situation where it’s allowed to drift? When Hughes took over Southampton they were not in the same position as we were when Hodgson took over.We were rock-bottom had lost all 4 games without scoring and Hodgson's first 5 games contained matches against Man C,Man Utd and Chelsea.It has been well documented that we lost all of our first 7 games,without scoring a goal, a PL first.Hodgson kept us up against all the odds. When Hughes took over at Southampton they were outside the relegation zone in 17th and they finished the season in 17th place. Edited by Willo (05 Dec 2018 5.16pm)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Dec 18 5.04pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

THE board will be negligent if they are at least not considering other options.
Hughes kept Southampton up last year and Jovanacic did an outstanding job las year getting Fulham promoted.
Both have been replaced and there has been no clamour or outrage as the decisions were understandable.
Both clubs have similar records to Palace this season and neither manager was getting the best out of their resources.
It’s not like Huddersfield, Cardiff and Burnley who have limited resources.
If results don’t improve before Christmas the board may have to act despite Roy being a local chap and decent fellow.
And it’s difficult to accept the argument , ‘but who would come in ?’
Do we want another Pardew situation where it’s allowed to drift?

When Hughes took over Southampton they were not in the same position as we were when Hodgson took over.We were rock-bottom had lost all 4 games without scoring and Hodgson's first 5 games contained matches against Man C,Man Utd and Chelsea.It has been well documented that we lost all of our first 7 games,without scoring a goal, a PL first.Hodgson kept us up against all the odds.

When Hughes took over at Southampton they were outside the relegation zone in 17th and they finished the season in 17th place.

Edited by Willo (05 Dec 2018 5.16pm)

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PatrickA London 05 Dec 18 5.09pm
Do you think Palace should not be considering other options and let the season drift if results don’t improve then ?
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London 05 Dec 18 5.09pm

Do you think Palace should not be considering other options and let the season drift if results don’t improve then ?

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Glazed Over Sevenoaks 05 Dec 18 5.16pm
Originally posted by spartakev2 Them having a player sent off probably helped them, they just put 10 men behind the ball and scored two more goals Edited for accuracy.
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Sevenoaks 05 Dec 18 5.16pm

Originally posted by spartakev2

Them having a player sent off probably helped them, they just put 10 men behind the ball and scored two more goals

Edited for accuracy.

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Goal Machine The Cronx 05 Dec 18 5.20pm
Originally posted by PatrickA THE board will be negligent if they are at least not considering other options. Hughes kept Southampton up last year and Jovanacic did an outstanding job las year getting Fulham promoted. Both have been replaced and there has been no clamour or outrage as the decisions were understandable. Both clubs have similar records to Palace this season and neither manager was getting the best out of their resources. It’s not like Huddersfield, Cardiff and Burnley who have limited resources. If results don’t improve before Christmas the board may have to act despite Roy being a local chap and decent fellow. And it’s difficult to accept the argument , ‘but who would come in ?’ Do we want another Pardew situation where it’s allowed to drift? The Jokanovic situation is very different to RH. Jokanovic did well last season but messed up by not having faith in the players who earned promotion and spent a lot on loads of fresh faces which unsettled the squad. He ballsed up in the end. The Hughes situation is more similar except that Palace are actually playing quite well on the whole, whereas Southampton have a few handy strikers and are crap. If results don’t improve, he’ll eventually have to go, but I’m very confident they will.
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The Cronx 05 Dec 18 5.20pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

The Jokanovic situation is very different to RH. Jokanovic did well last season but messed up by not having faith in the players who earned promotion and spent a lot on loads of fresh faces which unsettled the squad. He ballsed up in the end.

The Hughes situation is more similar except that Palace are actually playing quite well on the whole, whereas Southampton have a few handy strikers and are crap.

If results don’t improve, he’ll eventually have to go, but I’m very confident they will.

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