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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 15 Aug 18 1.16pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Doing what they are doing and blaming what happened 1000 years ago and 'invasions' of majority Muslim countries is a smokescreen. It's not just their 'crappy book'. Put simply, it's the same tactics used by almost every religion, ever. Individual desires money and power. Individual creates offshoot of certain religion bent into a shape that enables him to control, gather the masses, propagate fear, indoctrinate and brainwash and of course make money to fund the whole endeavour. Individual grows tired of localised power and attempts to start an empire. See ISIS. See the Crusades. To a lesser extent, see any version of Christianity. Especially Catholicism. I'd be amazed if more than 5% of people actually knew the origins of it, who created it, and why. Do what you like, because all you need to do is repent at the end and your conscience will be clear. Genius. The people at the top of these organisations I would propose, care little about the religion itself. They do care about power, money and control. Their greatest trick was to be able to convince others to live their lives by it to generate them said money, power and by extension manipulate some of them to do their bidding (wars, suicide bombings etc.). Again, it's genius.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 15 Aug 18 1.18pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
I mean it literally isn't read like that by 99.9% of their 1.5 billion followers but ok. 40% of Americans are evangelicals. That means they believe the Bible is the literal word of God, and should be followed verse for verse. Do the same rules apply to them? Fair point. Also, you can easily apply this to any religion.
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Park Road 15 Aug 18 1.21pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Ok, so when Muslims commit terrorist actions it is because of their religion, but when Hindus or Buddhists do similar, it is the Muslims' fault for provoking them? Riiiiiiiight... "Serial" when pronounced sounds like surreal- which you are. I never said anything of what your claiming. Muslims v Western ideology/society even though that society is doing its darndest to help and support them. I don't know, I can't see a pattern there at all. why don't you tell me whose fault it is. Edited by Park Road (15 Aug 2018 1.30pm) Edited by Park Road (15 Aug 2018 1.32pm) Edited by Park Road (15 Aug 2018 1.33pm)
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Stirlingsays 15 Aug 18 1.23pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
I mean it literally isn't read like that by 99.9% of their 1.5 billion followers but ok. 40% of Americans are evangelicals. That means they believe the Bible is the literal word of God, and should be followed verse for verse. Do the same rules apply to them?
Oh my god Serial that's so comical. Evangelical is an umbrella term covering a highly diverse number of groups and peoples and at most it's 25 percent. It covers Baptist, Mennonites, Methodists, Holiness, Pentecostal, Reformed and nondenominational Churches. I was raised a Methodist.....to say that this implies a literal reading of the Bible is so ridiculous....and that's coming from an agnostic atheist like me. In fact to say that evangelicals believe in the literal word of God is complete and utter nonsense. There is no direction to that end in the Bible and while some are more pious than others it's not a requirement as it is within Islam. There is an actual name for that....it's called fundamentalist and within Christianity they number very few......and unlike Islam, attacks on the state are rare. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Aug 2018 1.25pm)
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Stirlingsays 15 Aug 18 1.27pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Fair point. Also, you can easily apply this to any religion. No it is ludicrous and provably so and you just accepted it.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 15 Aug 18 1.28pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
No it is ludicrous and provably so and you just accepted it. I disagree.
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Park Road 15 Aug 18 1.36pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
I disagree. Says the man who hasn't read the bible or Quran thoroughly.
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Stirlingsays 15 Aug 18 1.36pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
I disagree. Serial wrote: 'I mean it literally isn't read like that by 99.9% of their 1.5 billion followers but ok. 40% of Americans are evangelicals. That means they believe the Bible is the literal word of God, and should be followed verse for verse. Do the same rules apply to them? ' It is a fact that all mainstream Muslims are taught that the Qu'ran is the literal word of God that is perfect and can't be changed. Very few Evangelicals believe this and there is no requirement in Christianity that this belief is taught. So state to me why you agree with his statement.
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serial thriller The Promised Land 15 Aug 18 1.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Oh my god Serial that's so comical. Evangelical is an umbrella term covering a highly diverse number of groups and peoples and at most it's 25 percent. It covers Baptist, Mennonites, Methodists, Holiness, Pentecostal, Reformed and nondenominational Churches. I was raised a Methodist.....to say that this implies a literal reading of the Bible is so ridiculous....and that's coming from an agnostic atheist like me. In fact to say that evangelicals believe in the literal word of God is complete and utter nonsense. There is no direction to that end in the Bible and while some are more pious than others it's not a requirement as it is within Islam. There is an actual name for that....it's called fundamentalist and within Christianity they number very few......and unlike Islam, attacks on the state are rare. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Aug 2018 1.25pm) "Evangelicalism (/ˌiːvænˈdʒɛlɪkəlɪzəm, ˌɛvæn-, -ən/), evangelical Christianity, or evangelical Protestantism,[a] is a worldwide, transdenominational movement within Protestant Christianity which maintains the belief that... the authority of the Bible as God's revelation to humanity" I admit an error which is I got my facts mixed on percentages. It was a survey which showed that 40% of Americans thought Jesus would return before 2050. I also should've put in a note to say that I don't say this to condemn their beliefs. I've met many lovely evangelicals, as I have met many wonderful practicing Muslims, and I myself have come to see most religious people as accepting a compromise between what is said in their holy book and what practice they should undertake. Our belief systems are often hypocritical and we cherry pick freely. In my opinion, many people who look from the outside and take literally something in a culture different to their own fundamentally misunderstand that culture. Granted, Islamic or Christian doctrine may profess something, but that's because it's written by popes or ayatollahs or brahmins who dedicate their lives to it. Most laypeople you meet just ignore the nuts stuff, try not to get caught when, for instance, masturbating or smoking during ramadan or putting some ham in a sandwich for flavour.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 15 Aug 18 1.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Park Road
Says the man who hasn't read the bible or Quran thoroughly. Haha. Right. I don't need to have read the bible or the Q'uran thoroughly to know that extremism, blind faith and fundamentalism exists in every religion. To be clear, I'm not having a go at any religion specifically, in case you in any way have your back up over Christianity being brought into this discussion. And islamic faith, just like every other religion on the planet, is followed and interpreted in different ways by different people. In most religions, the majority are fairly loose with their interpretation. There is always an element that are selective to make it easier for themselves, or to suit their own agenda, eg. confrontation, war, bombings, murder, whatever. To me not following a religion the way it was conceived by its founder is completely nonsensical, but that's another discussion entirely.
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serial thriller The Promised Land 15 Aug 18 2.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Park Road
"Serial" when pronounced sounds like surreal- which you are. I never said anything of what your claiming. Muslims v Western ideology/society even though that society is doing its darndest to help and support them. I don't know, I can't see a pattern there at all. why don't you tell me whose fault it is. Edited by Park Road (15 Aug 2018 1.30pm) Edited by Park Road (15 Aug 2018 1.32pm) Edited by Park Road (15 Aug 2018 1.33pm) You missed out China vs America, mac vs pc, palace vs brighton and prince phillip vs death but ok.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 15 Aug 18 2.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Serial wrote: 'I mean it literally isn't read like that by 99.9% of their 1.5 billion followers but ok. 40% of Americans are evangelicals. That means they believe the Bible is the literal word of God, and should be followed verse for verse. Do the same rules apply to them? ' It is a fact that all mainstream Muslims are taught that the Qu'ran is the literal word of God that is perfect and can't be changed. Very few Evangelicals believe this and there is no requirement in Christianity that this belief is taught. So state to me why you agree with his statement. I agree with the attempt to broaden the discussion to other religions (they're all culpable to this sort of thing) rather than just one. I also agree with the assertion that the majority of Muslims are not fanatical, although it's probably not 99.9%. Who knows. Acknowledging the 40% stat as wrong, the point being made here is that look at any religion and the same s*** happens. Same demographics. Same issues. So I agree with that in principle.
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