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silvertop Flag Portishead 11 Aug 18 8.18am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Ok you two. It was you saying i think i am more intelligent. I was just expressing a view. You seem as erudite and informed as me, albeit you have reached a different destination.

This all seems to feed into what appears to be a world view that those who express views you deem "progressive" or "liberal" are all made by those who smugly look down on all you dumb proles.

 

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silvertop Flag Portishead 11 Aug 18 8.27am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Ok then Mr Intelligent (lets remember you recommended IDS for effective Brexit leader and your apparent ignorance about China in an earlier thread), lets debate the issues that you regard as populist that only have support due to 'ignorance or blind stupidity'.

You mentioned several but which is the first issue you wish to debate on that score?


Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Aug 2018 6.52am)

Hmm the China thing. Is that where you went off on one on the wrong point. To recap.

You: you're being so hard on Trump. Would you be so hard if the comments were made by the Russian or Chinese premiers?

Me: It's not the same. The US president has considerably more impact on world events than both those leaders. And as for the Chinese premier, even though he leads an autocratic nation at least he thinks about what he says and appreciates the impact of his views

You: I am supporting Chinese tyranny!

It was at that point I bowed out

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 11 Aug 18 9.24am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

How do you deal with people who express opinions but are less intelligent than you? That is, when their views are clearly informed by ignorance or blind stupidity?

Btw I will admit one error with further thought. Boris will take the top job through nakedly pandering to Tory grassroots. However, never forget his background. Once in situ he will revert to type and patrician politics and pragmatic balancing of his party's views will take over. Noone will hate him more than the so called grassroots who put him there and who will feel betrayed.

Ok I read it again and you don't expressly state you are more intelligent, you actually ask a question and make a statement in one go.
I personally accept people's opinions .if I don't agree I say so.
If they are absolutely 100% bullcrap wrong I may assume they either haven't researched it or are making it up.
It doesn't make them ignorant ; just wrong.
All these threads on what's happening in the UK ref Islam etc is all a potential. I feel more likely potentially very dangerous. Nipping it now will eliminate the dangerous bit to a certain factor.
We have had examples of the thinking and actions.
Let's not allow it to escalate farther if we can wind it back now.

 

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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 11 Aug 18 9.51am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Happy to be a d*ckhead in that case. It's not even funny.

Well it would take one to know one , eh dan ?

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 11 Aug 18 2.26pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Hmm the China thing. Is that where you went off on one on the wrong point. To recap.

You: you're being so hard on Trump. Would you be so hard if the comments were made by the Russian or Chinese premiers?

Me: It's not the same. The US president has considerably more impact on world events than both those leaders. And as for the Chinese premier, even though he leads an autocratic nation at least he thinks about what he says and appreciates the impact of his views

You: I am supporting Chinese tyranny!

It was at that point I bowed out

I didn't say you were supporting tyranny, I was accusing you of ignorance and a lack of balance....Which aren't great attributes of someone who thinks they are more intelligent than the masses.

The US has considerably more impact on world events than China and Russia?

Yes, in a positive fashion it has. Yet you only had criticism for Trump when in reality he heads a state that is the pinnacle and is currently helping improve the world economy.

Explain to me how China doesn't have a massive impact on the world.

China, the second largest economy in the world, which is projected to overtake the US sits on the UN security council and has huge impacts around the world, especially in its region and Africa.

Russia, which I didn't focus upon, still has considerable impact.

You bowed out because your central point showed a lack of ability to acknowledge balance between Trump and the far far worst impacts of non western world leaders.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Aug 2018 2.38pm)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 11 Aug 18 2.31pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Ok you two. It was you saying i think i am more intelligent. I was just expressing a view. You seem as erudite and informed as me, albeit you have reached a different destination.

This all seems to feed into what appears to be a world view that those who express views you deem "progressive" or "liberal" are all made by those who smugly look down on all you dumb proles.

You wrote, 'How do you deal with people who express opinions but are less intelligent than you? That is, when their views are clearly informed by ignorance or blind stupidity?'

So then are you suggesting our conclusions are wrong and that you weren't suggesting you are more intelligent than those you deem to support 'populist' ideas?

You seemingly ignored my offer to debate any of these 'populist' ideas. Cool, no problem.

The reality is that those policy ideas you mentioned are worldviews and cultural and have zero connection to the intelligence of the individual who believes in them.


Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Aug 2018 2.41pm)

 


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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 12 Aug 18 2.20am Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Funny when the Guardian jokes about the Burka, it's OK? [Link]

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 12 Aug 18 9.21am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Funny when the Guardian jokes about the Burka, it's OK? [Link]

Best some people complain that it is racist and islamaphobic then the guardian will get investigated and brought before a panel like boris.
I feel they might get away with it and it will be called 'banter'.

 

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becky Flag over the moon 12 Aug 18 11.19am Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Best some people complain that it is racist and islamaphobic then the guardian will get investigated and brought before a panel like boris.
I feel they might get away with it and it will be called 'banter'.

.... but it has been written by a Moslem woman who wears a hijab, so it would be taken in the same way that blacks are permitted call each other by the 'n' word whilst the rest of us may not use it under any circumstances.

 


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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 12 Aug 18 1.01pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Probably the Guardian's most notable columnist, Polly Toynbee, talks about the burqa in 2001. [Link]

"The top-to-toe burka, with its sinister, airless little grille, is more than an instrument of persecution, it is a public tarring and feathering of female sexuality. It transforms any woman into an object of defilement too untouchably disgusting to be seen. It is a garment of lurid sexual suggestiveness: what rampant desire and desirability lurks and leers beneath its dark mysteries? In its objectifying of women, it turns them into cowering creatures demanding and expecting violence and victimisation. Forget cultural sensibilities."

Is she an Islamaphobe for criticising the burqa? Does she have free speech here? Or is it one rule for the left and another for Tories?

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 12 Aug 18 6.17pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Probably the Guardian's most notable columnist, Polly Toynbee, talks about the burqa in 2001. [Link]

"The top-to-toe burka, with its sinister, airless little grille, is more than an instrument of persecution, it is a public tarring and feathering of female sexuality. It transforms any woman into an object of defilement too untouchably disgusting to be seen. It is a garment of lurid sexual suggestiveness: what rampant desire and desirability lurks and leers beneath its dark mysteries? In its objectifying of women, it turns them into cowering creatures demanding and expecting violence and victimisation. Forget cultural sensibilities."

Is she an Islamaphobe for criticising the burqa? Does she have free speech here? Or is it one rule for the left and another for Tories?

It is our duty as a nation to drag Britsh subjects of devout religious backgrounds into the 21st century. The idiot apologists seem to want the reverse.
Th influx of immigrants with devout religious beliefs are regressing this country. We have spent hundreds of years ridding ourselves of this sort of medieval nonsense and for what?

 

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silvertop Flag Portishead 13 Aug 18 10.11am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I didn't say you were supporting tyranny, I was accusing you of ignorance and a lack of balance....Which aren't great attributes of someone who thinks they are more intelligent than the masses.

The US has considerably more impact on world events than China and Russia?

Yes, in a positive fashion it has. Yet you only had criticism for Trump when in reality he heads a state that is the pinnacle and is currently helping improve the world economy.

Explain to me how China doesn't have a massive impact on the world.

China, the second largest economy in the world, which is projected to overtake the US sits on the UN security council and has huge impacts around the world, especially in its region and Africa.

Russia, which I didn't focus upon, still has considerable impact.

You bowed out because your central point showed a lack of ability to acknowledge balance between Trump and the far far worst impacts of non western world leaders.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Aug 2018 2.38pm)

This one was in response to you saying that we were all being hard on Trump. We wouldn't be so hard if the Russian or Chinese premiers were shooting from the hip. I replied that they don't: even effective dictators like them measure their comments

 

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