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Mapletree Flag Croydon 27 Jul 18 12.22pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What a Weird statement.

Any opinion by anyone is 'personal'.

Your personal issue seems to be that you keep accusing others of demonising Islam but you are never prepared to state your position on the aspects of it that fully deserved to be criticised by anyone who wishes to uphold Western values or even basic human rights.
To say I know lots of Muslims who are nice is completely beside the point and slightly naive.

This thread is about the acid attack

As usual a couple of people use it as an excuse to assert that every other culture is less good than theirs, especially Muslim culture.

What is naive is to try to separate out aspects of a religion and say 'I like this bit but not that'. They are integrated constructs and they live within broader cultures.

You may as well say 'I didn't like the Nazis but look what a great job they did on health and child care'. All aspects of their philosophy work together, you can't pick and choose. You get the bad with the good. The Nazis didn't offer health and child care to Jews, it was all about building a strong pure race.

Overall I can think of worse philosophies than Islam and I have worked in societies with many different constructs. I prefer to live in England if that helps you. But I am very happy in the company of English Muslims, on average I would say they are more ethical and kind than atheists and probably than Christians. Some aren't.

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 27 Jul 18 12.47pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

I don't recall holf asking you if you have an issue with muslims in total.
What is being asked is whether you agree with some of the strange and very dangerous beliefs.
If indeed it is proved that this attack was based around their beliefs and they deemed that this punishment was correct.
The same as slating this Mohammed character is deserving of death.( Charlie hebdo)
Do you maple not find that a tad harsh and basically wrong.
I don't think it is a difficult question, unless of course you agree with it.

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 27 Jul 18 2.00pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

I don't recall holf asking you if you have an issue with muslims in total.
What is being asked is whether you agree with some of the strange and very dangerous beliefs.
If indeed it is proved that this attack was based around their beliefs and they deemed that this punishment was correct.
The same as slating this Mohammed character is deserving of death.( Charlie hebdo)
Do you maple not find that a tad harsh and basically wrong.
I don't think it is a difficult question, unless of course you agree with it.

I don't think you understood my post

I hold my own views on everything

Given free rein I can find a reason to disagree with anything and anyone

I choose not to

But what about the acid attack on the child? I guess that is only relevant if it allows you to attack your favourite targets

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 27 Jul 18 2.15pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

This thread is about the acid attack

As usual a couple of people use it as an excuse to assert that every other culture is less good than theirs, especially Muslim culture.

What is naive is to try to separate out aspects of a religion and say 'I like this bit but not that'. They are integrated constructs and they live within broader cultures.

You may as well say 'I didn't like the Nazis but look what a great job they did on health and child care'. All aspects of their philosophy work together, you can't pick and choose. You get the bad with the good. The Nazis didn't offer health and child care to Jews, it was all about building a strong pure race.

Overall I can think of worse philosophies than Islam and I have worked in societies with many different constructs. I prefer to live in England if that helps you. But I am very happy in the company of English Muslims, on average I would say they are more ethical and kind than atheists and probably than Christians. Some aren't.

You must be a nightmare filling out forms Maple

You cannot answer a single straightforward question.

So are you telling me that you have a balanced view of the Nazis because they did a few things right and some of them were very friendly at dinner parties and that the killing 6 million Jews business has to be looked at in that context?


Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Jul 2018 2.16pm)

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 27 Jul 18 3.10pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You must be a nightmare filling out forms Maple

You cannot answer a single straightforward question.

So are you telling me that you have a balanced view of the Nazis because they did a few things right and some of them were very friendly at dinner parties and that the killing 6 million Jews business has to be looked at in that context?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Jul 2018 2.16pm)

No

The opposite

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 27 Jul 18 4.23pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

No

The opposite

One cannot have it both ways. One is either able to criticise specific aspects of something without condemning anyone or anything connected to it or not.

I'm sorry but the limitation being placed on me by this yellow card stuff is making me disinclined to bother posting.
I can no longer have a natural conversation with you as a result. Best of luck.

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 27 Jul 18 5.31pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

One cannot have it both ways. One is either able to criticise specific aspects of something without condemning anyone or anything connected to it or not.

I'm sorry but the limitation being placed on me by this yellow card stuff is making me disinclined to bother posting.
I can no longer have a natural conversation with you as a result. Best of luck.

Holf this is what I expected
Maple cannot admit that within the faith this is deemed as wrong but he sees it as right and proper to dish out this punishment if the reason behind it is what has been written.
It is a shame that he agrees with it.
But everyone is entitled to his or her opinion.
Whether I or us see it as wrong is not important it is as I asked an opinion.
Maybe this is actually the way we are going and my barricades and bullets are being put up and stashed.
Sadly holf we and a few others are now to right wing to have our own thoughts as it doesn't keep within the general PC of the society that has been created around us.
Live long and prosper.

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 27 Jul 18 6.06pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Holf this is what I expected
Maple cannot admit that within the faith this is deemed as wrong but he sees it as right and proper to dish out this punishment if the reason behind it is what has been written.
It is a shame that he agrees with it.
But everyone is entitled to his or her opinion.
Whether I or us see it as wrong is not important it is as I asked an opinion.
Maybe this is actually the way we are going and my barricades and bullets are being put up and stashed.
Sadly holf we and a few others are now to right wing to have our own thoughts as it doesn't keep within the general PC of the society that has been created around us.
Live long and prosper.

You appear to be saying I think that someone has a right to have acid poured over a child due to their faith.

No faith would give that right and to date I have seen no claim it was done using faith as an excuse. I guess it was a wicked man who paid people with zero morals to do his dirty work.

If you believe Islam gives draconian rights such as that I can only suggest you ask a Muslim to explain

As I have said before, you may get different answers from different Muslims - as with the Bible there are varying interpretations of Islamic scriptures.

I hardly think there is a conspiracy against right wing posters on the HOL. You would no doubt find the BBS inhospitable though.

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 27 Jul 18 6.37pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

You appear to be saying I think that someone has a right to have acid poured over a child due to their faith.

No faith would give that right and to date I have seen no claim it was done using faith as an excuse. I guess it was a wicked man who paid people with zero morals to do his dirty work.

If you believe Islam gives draconian rights such as that I can only suggest you ask a Muslim to explain

As I have said before, you may get different answers from different Muslims - as with the Bible there are varying interpretations of Islamic scriptures.

I hardly think there is a conspiracy against right wing posters on the HOL. You would no doubt find the BBS inhospitable though.


Ok if it is proved to be an act brought on by beliefs within the religion it is wrong.
Can you start by at least agreeing that.
Then further forward.... no read above and comment if you can.
I cant ask a Muslim as if it is part of the belief then they may not want to comment...
Silence is golden.

 

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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 27 Jul 18 8.04pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


to repeat that not all Muslims are the same is illogical.

i have worked with some seriously nice ones, and also some seriously nasty ones.

is it statistically significant ?

 


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Park Road Flag 28 Jul 18 12.48pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

You appear to be saying I think that someone has a right to have acid poured over a child due to their faith.

No faith would give that right and to date I have seen no claim it was done using faith as an excuse. I guess it was a wicked man who paid people with zero morals to do his dirty work.

If you believe Islam gives draconian rights such as that I can only suggest you ask a Muslim to explain

As I have said before, you may get different answers from different Muslims - as with the Bible there are varying interpretations of Islamic scriptures.

I hardly think there is a conspiracy against right wing posters on the HOL. You would no doubt find the BBS inhospitable though.


Quran verse 8:12 I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

No need to ask a Muslim read the book. No kids mentioned in the verse above, not excluded either.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 28 Jul 18 2.28pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Maple kind of misses the point.

Ultimately the biggest problem isn't in how many nice normal Muslims there are compared to poor ones. There are good and bad in every group and it's always a percentage question...even though our prisons have more than double the national percentage of Muslims in them.

The point is at the group macro level.....Meaning that as a large majority they act and vote as a political block in non Muslim countries. Where they aren't the majority they want rights, where they are the majority rights are in shorter supply.

It suits their interests to always vote left at the moment...It's not going to be every Muslim but it's going to be a high majority....even though amusingly they are a majority socially conservative group. However, as the group demographics increase they will change that voting preference to their own 'Muslim Brotherhood' type party.

This is about twenty to thirty years down the line but it's going to happen. It's as predictable as the sun rising and it's all the fault of the left and the economic right.

I'm secular and I'll be long gone, but this is a situation that the ideologically idealistic have given to my children and their generation and the outcome is uncertain.


Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Jul 2018 2.36pm)

 


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