Aren't you reading the thread? They were Hamas terrorists!

Also, read the particular point I was laughing at. Please don't misquote me.

Edited by Penge Eagle (18 May 2018 10.56am)

Few Points:

The fence is not a border. The people of Gaza are under the occupying control of Israel since the 1967 war. How is it a border? Remeber there is no country of Palestine - so this is not a border.

As the occupying power the government of Israel has a responsibility to the inhabintants of Gaza. However since the Democratic election of Hamas in free and fair elections Israel has imposed illegal collective punishment on the 2 million people of Gaza (for exercising their democratic right - the result of which Israel didn't like).
This collective punishment has meant that Gaza has become an open prison where Water and Power have been rationed. The economy has been destroyed by a blockade and 2 wars. Everyday items are prevented from entering Gaza on the pretence that they could be used as weapons. In response to this Gazans built tunnels to sneak in items. Fisherman are regularly shot and killed by the Israeli navy. Farmers are shot and killed in the fields near the fence. Regular incursions over the fence by Israel are used to bulldoze houses, olive groves and crops. The Israeli airforce overfly the City "sonic booming" the residents nightly.
This is a living hell for the residents where Israel controls nearly every aspect of their daily lives.
It has also not dislodged Hamas - Whose govenment is one of the only employers of anyone in the city where 50% are unemployed.
Hamas are not nice people, and have a horrible charter that seeks the destruction of Israel; but characterising people in desperate situations all as terrorists is incorrect. Gaza contains all sorts of men women and children with all sorts of views, all sorts of dreams and aspirations. They are like any other city - but put yourself in their situation - what would you do? You can only poke people with a stick so much.
Israel does not seek any peace. they are happy with the status quo where their creeping colonialisation of the west bank continues, and where the Palestinians are marginalised economically and physically into Bantustans. This is the very definition of Apartheid. It is on the basis of this that we as individuals, organisations and governements should be boycotting Israel until it changes its policies and engages in genuine peace negotiations.

By the way there are far two many people on this thread conflating Jews and Israel. Just saying.

Palace Fan

If you are moved by the plight of people in Gaza and want to do something positive please consider giving to the following. Their website also makes interesting reading:

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Palace Fan

So you would trade with these countries but you'd just destroy our arms industry instead.

I totally disagree with you.

You at least recognise your own purity spiraling.

There is no link between Islamic terrorism and our arms sales.

I refer you to a statement by Islamic State themselves.....A statement pretty much addressed entirely to people with opinions like yours.

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You are in complete denial over the fundamentals at the heart of Islamic terrorism. There may be a section of its adherents whose motivates come from different directions but the core anti western philosophy and desire to fight it would still remain.

I will copy and paste most of the article itself:

Why We Hate You and Why We Fight You

“Many Westerners, are already aware that claiming the attacks of the mujahidin to be senseless and questioning incessantly as to why we hate the West and why we fight them is nothing more than a political act and a propaganda tool. The politicians will say it regardless of how much it stands in opposition to facts and common sense just to garner as many votes as they can for the next election cycle.”

“There are exceptions among the disbelievers, no doubt, people who will unabashedly declare that jihad and the laws of the Shari’ah — as well as everything else deemed taboo by the Islam-is-a-peaceful-religion crowd — are in fact completely Islamic, but they tend to be people with far less credibility who are painted as a social fringe, so their voices are dismissed and a large segment of the ignorant masses continues believing the false narrative"

"We hate you, first and foremost, because you are disbelievers; you reject the oneness of Allah – whether you realize it or not – by making partners for Him in worship, you blaspheme against Him, claiming that He has a son, you fabricate lies against His prophets and messengers, and you indulge in all manner of devilish practices."

“Furthermore, just as your disbelief is the primary reason we hate you, your disbelief is the primary reason we fight you, as we have been commanded to fight the disbelievers until they submit to the authority of Islam.”

“So in the end, you cannot bring an indefinite halt to our war against you. At most, you could only delay it temporarily,”

'The fact is, even if you were to stop bombing us, imprisoning us, torturing us, vilifying us, and usurping our lands, we would continue to hate you because our primary reason for hating you will not cease to exist until you embrace Islam. Even if you were to pay jizyah [tax for infidels] and live under the authority of Islam in humiliation, we would continue to hate you.'

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 May 2018 2.47pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

A very necessary reminder to us all of the real victims of war.

No point-scoring from me.

It does occur to me that these people must grow up loathing Israel, Hamas will never have to advertise.