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mattteo 04 Mar 18 8.07pm
Originally posted by grumpymort I think people have forgotten Murray wanted first team football which is another reason he left. Gayle has played this season in the league 26 and only scored 5 that is poor. Gayle has scored similar to Murray. 5 goals and 2 assists in 1300 minutes. Murray has 7 goals and no assists in 1600 minutes (excluding penalties) How is Gayle's season poor?
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mattteo

04 Mar 18 8.07pm

Originally posted by grumpymort

I think people have forgotten Murray wanted first team football which is another reason he left.

Gayle has played this season in the league 26 and only scored 5 that is poor.

Gayle has scored similar to Murray. 5 goals and 2 assists in 1300 minutes.

Murray has 7 goals and no assists in 1600 minutes (excluding penalties)

How is Gayle's season poor?

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leifandersonshair Newport 04 Mar 18 8.29pm
Originally posted by mattteo Buddy, you need to get your facts straight. 1. Benteke scored 13 goals last year from open play, not 15. The fact that his teammates let him take 2 penalties doesn't mean he's better than if he had not taken them. But ok, let's go with the number 15 as he also accounted for 2 assists last season. His 13 goals from open play and 2 asists came in 3200 minutes, less than 1 every 200 minutes. If you count out the penalties he scored while at Villa and Liverpool, he pretty much has a similar ratio. 2. Gayle scored 23 and assisted 2 in 2300 minutes in all competitions last year, with no penalties taken. If his teammates had let Gayle take 2 penalties like Benteke, he could have had 2 more goals. But disregard the Championship goals. Gayle in the PL had scored for Palace 20 goals (18 from open play) and provided 1 assist in 2700 minutes. That's 1 every 140 minutes. This season he has 5 goals and 2 assists in 1300 minutes for Newcastle, somewhat keeping his tally (leading the line, not as second striker). 3. Glenn Murray had 19 goals from open play in the Championship, but 6 assists too in 3400 minutes. In the Premier League he had scored 8 from open play and assisted 3 in 1500 minutes for Crystal Palace and Bournemouth. This season (counting out the penalties) he has 6 goals and no assists in 1500 minutes. Bottom line: if one striker takes penalties, his goals appear to be much more than what they truly are and perception makes him seem like a better player than he truly is. So Championship goals equate to the same as Premiership goals then. Got it. And penalties don't count either. Right. Bottom line- Benteke scored more goals in open play in the Premiership last season than either Murray or Gayle are likely to get this season for their respective clubs. Don't get me wrong- Benteke IS having a bloody shocker of a season. Murray has scored a massive FOUR more goals this season and Gayle THREE (from open play, of course)- so you believe we would be massively better off with them instead. Yes, no doubt if we still had those 2 instead of Benteke then we'd be top 10. Or if we still had Allardyce in charge. Or if Wilf hadn't been injured. No point bitching about what we SHOULD have done or what MIGHT have been. Benteke has not overnight become the worst player in the world, has he? He remains our main striker. Sorloth looks promising. We're still in a really bad situation. I think we'd be in a worse situation if we had never signed Benteke but had kept Murray and Gayle. You think differently. Fair enough.
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Originally posted by mattteo

Buddy, you need to get your facts straight.

1. Benteke scored 13 goals last year from open play, not 15. The fact that his teammates let him take 2 penalties doesn't mean he's better than if he had not taken them. But ok, let's go with the number 15 as he also accounted for 2 assists last season. His 13 goals from open play and 2 asists came in 3200 minutes, less than 1 every 200 minutes. If you count out the penalties he scored while at Villa and Liverpool, he pretty much has a similar ratio.

2. Gayle scored 23 and assisted 2 in 2300 minutes in all competitions last year, with no penalties taken. If his teammates had let Gayle take 2 penalties like Benteke, he could have had 2 more goals. But disregard the Championship goals. Gayle in the PL had scored for Palace 20 goals (18 from open play) and provided 1 assist in 2700 minutes. That's 1 every 140 minutes. This season he has 5 goals and 2 assists in 1300 minutes for Newcastle, somewhat keeping his tally (leading the line, not as second striker).

3. Glenn Murray had 19 goals from open play in the Championship, but 6 assists too in 3400 minutes. In the Premier League he had scored 8 from open play and assisted 3 in 1500 minutes for Crystal Palace and Bournemouth. This season (counting out the penalties) he has 6 goals and no assists in 1500 minutes.

Bottom line: if one striker takes penalties, his goals appear to be much more than what they truly are and perception makes him seem like a better player than he truly is.

So Championship goals equate to the same as Premiership goals then. Got it. And penalties don't count either. Right.

Bottom line- Benteke scored more goals in open play in the Premiership last season than either Murray or Gayle are likely to get this season for their respective clubs.

Don't get me wrong- Benteke IS having a bloody shocker of a season. Murray has scored a massive FOUR more goals this season and Gayle THREE (from open play, of course)- so you believe we would be massively better off with them instead. Yes, no doubt if we still had those 2 instead of Benteke then we'd be top 10. Or if we still had Allardyce in charge. Or if Wilf hadn't been injured.

No point bitching about what we SHOULD have done or what MIGHT have been. Benteke has not overnight become the worst player in the world, has he? He remains our main striker. Sorloth looks promising. We're still in a really bad situation. I think we'd be in a worse situation if we had never signed Benteke but had kept Murray and Gayle. You think differently. Fair enough.

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 04 Mar 18 8.30pm
Wickham was a Parish signing. Selling Murray was Parish's decision having received an offer that he couldn't refuse - don't blame him, at the time it was a good price. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but if you look at the hard facts and how things have turned out, then we clearly have had the wrong end of those deals. Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 04 Mar 18 8.30pm

Wickham was a Parish signing.

Selling Murray was Parish's decision having received an offer that he couldn't refuse - don't blame him, at the time it was a good price.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but if you look at the hard facts and how things have turned out, then we clearly have had the wrong end of those deals.

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mattteo 04 Mar 18 8.36pm
Originally posted by leifandersonshair So Championship goals equate to the same as Premiership goals then. No, I specifically compared their Premier League goals in my post. I said "disregard the Championship goals". You're just being unfair here or bad intended or you can't read. Those only "3 more goals", as you say, scored by Gayle came in 1300 minutes, not 1900, as Benteke has had (that's 50% more playing time). Edited by mattteo (04 Mar 2018 8.44pm)
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04 Mar 18 8.36pm

Originally posted by leifandersonshair

So Championship goals equate to the same as Premiership goals then.

No, I specifically compared their Premier League goals in my post. I said "disregard the Championship goals". You're just being unfair here or bad intended or you can't read.

Those only "3 more goals", as you say, scored by Gayle came in 1300 minutes, not 1900, as Benteke has had (that's 50% more playing time).

Edited by mattteo (04 Mar 2018 8.44pm)

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Casual Orpington 04 Mar 18 8.57pm
Originally posted by The Dolphin And I am one of them. I think that what actually happened was that Murray was told that Wickham was now the no 1 striker and so he was going to be bench only most of the time. Pardew did like to play his purchases. Murray realised he wasn't going to get a look in and left and I don't blame him. He should have been told that he was no 1 but that it was up to Wickham to displace him - good management and if he didn't perform he would have been expected to be dropped. I don't mind that Gayle went - only Murray (oh and Jedi of course)! Top post. Agree with all of it, apart from the bit about Jedinak , thought his legs had gone and he’d forgotten how to pass to his team mates.
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Originally posted by The Dolphin

And I am one of them.
I think that what actually happened was that Murray was told that Wickham was now the no 1 striker and so he was going to be bench only most of the time.
Pardew did like to play his purchases.
Murray realised he wasn't going to get a look in and left and I don't blame him.
He should have been told that he was no 1 but that it was up to Wickham to displace him - good management and if he didn't perform he would have been expected to be dropped.
I don't mind that Gayle went - only Murray (oh and Jedi of course)!

Top post.
Agree with all of it, apart from the bit about Jedinak , thought his legs had gone and he’d forgotten how to pass to his team mates.

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Groundhog Day!!!!

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braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 04 Mar 18 9.05pm
i doubt either will score 17 goals in a PL season like bentekkers did last season. this season has seen him ravaged by injury & confidence issues. this season wickham hasnt kicked a ball due to injury. both are better than gayle & murray...lets look forward not back. we got a good shift from both those players & turned a profit. ‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway
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i doubt either will score 17 goals in a PL season like bentekkers did last season.

this season has seen him ravaged by injury & confidence issues.

this season wickham hasnt kicked a ball due to injury.

both are better than gayle & murray...lets look forward not back.

we got a good shift from both those players & turned a profit.

‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway

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Brentmiester_General Front line in the battle against t... 04 Mar 18 9.08pm
Originally posted by Casual Top post. Agree with all of it, apart from the bit about Jedinak , thought his legs had gone and he’d forgotten how to pass to his team mates. He’ll more than likely be back in PL next season as well. "We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...
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Originally posted by Casual

Top post.
Agree with all of it, apart from the bit about Jedinak , thought his legs had gone and he’d forgotten how to pass to his team mates.

He’ll more than likely be back in PL next season as well.

"We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...

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grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 04 Mar 18 9.24pm
Originally posted by mattteo Gayle has scored similar to Murray. 5 goals and 2 assists in 1300 minutes. Murray has 7 goals and no assists in 1600 minutes (excluding penalties) How is Gayle's season poor? so you think 5 goals in 26 games is good no it isn't and you cant really compare murray and gayle both are opposite type of player so you would expect murray to be lesser goal scorer. (VPN) - [Link] (Alt VPN) - [Link]
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Originally posted by mattteo

Gayle has scored similar to Murray. 5 goals and 2 assists in 1300 minutes.

Murray has 7 goals and no assists in 1600 minutes (excluding penalties)

How is Gayle's season poor?

so you think 5 goals in 26 games is good no it isn't and you cant really compare murray and gayle both are opposite type of player so you would expect murray to be lesser goal scorer.

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mattteo 04 Mar 18 9.29pm
Originally posted by braunstoneagle i doubt either will score 17 goals in a PL season like bentekkers did last season. Where the heck is this 17 goals coming from? First it was 15, now it's 17?? It's been explained here times and times again it was 13 goals in the PL from open play!! 13 goals. In 3100 minutes!!!! Read the thread! He had 2 penalties that he scored. It's not the same thing if you compare him to other strikers who don't take penalties for their teams. Now you want to include his 2 goals in the Cup against Bolton? Probably worst team in the Championship last season
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mattteo

04 Mar 18 9.29pm

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

i doubt either will score 17 goals in a PL season like bentekkers did last season.

Where the heck is this 17 goals coming from? First it was 15, now it's 17??

It's been explained here times and times again it was 13 goals in the PL from open play!! 13 goals. In 3100 minutes!!!! Read the thread!

He had 2 penalties that he scored. It's not the same thing if you compare him to other strikers who don't take penalties for their teams.

Now you want to include his 2 goals in the Cup against Bolton? Probably worst team in the Championship last season

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braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 04 Mar 18 9.31pm
Originally posted by mattteo Where the heck is this 17 goals coming from? First it was 15, now it's 17?? It's been explained here times and times again it was 13 goals in the PL from open play!! 13 goals. In 3100 minutes!!!! Read the thread! He had 2 penalties that he scored. It's not the same thing if you compare him to other strikers who don't take penalties for their teams. Now you want to include his 2 goals in the Cup against Bolton? Probably worst team in the Championship last season ok mr anal... im sorry i got the 2 goals against bolton in the cup. regardless of that he scored 17 goals last season...you cant not include pens just to suit your argument. a goal is a goal. ‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway
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the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 04 Mar 18 9.31pm

Originally posted by mattteo

Where the heck is this 17 goals coming from? First it was 15, now it's 17??

It's been explained here times and times again it was 13 goals in the PL from open play!! 13 goals. In 3100 minutes!!!! Read the thread!

He had 2 penalties that he scored. It's not the same thing if you compare him to other strikers who don't take penalties for their teams.

Now you want to include his 2 goals in the Cup against Bolton? Probably worst team in the Championship last season

ok mr anal...

im sorry i got the 2 goals against bolton in the cup.

regardless of that he scored 17 goals last season...you cant not include pens just to suit your argument. a goal is a goal.

‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway

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The Dolphin 04 Mar 18 9.41pm
Jedi should have been allowed to stay just to be a part of the Club and to have him in the squad. Who would you prefer in the squad right now - him or Mutch?? The answer is easy. He was Pardewed !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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04 Mar 18 9.41pm

Jedi should have been allowed to stay just to be a part of the Club and to have him in the squad.
Who would you prefer in the squad right now - him or Mutch??
The answer is easy.
He was Pardewed !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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