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Ulysses 17 Feb 18 9.04pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Don't play this game. It is clearly an attack on the newspaper for publishing a particular opinion. Do tell me how it is inappropriate to post an ad' next to a story. It happens all the time. How does a totally separate unrelated story reflect on an advertisement? If they don't like the Daily Mail it didn't stop them advertising in it in the first place did it. I have already outlined why I think Center Parcs thought it was inappropriate placement. In their business, corporate eyes, it absolutely is related. It's a straightforward business decision to keep as much money rolling in as possible. No game. I just don't see how opinions are being stifled here. Man exercises his right to free speech and expresses his opinion in a national newspaper. Multi-million pound company exercise their right to respond to their customers' concerns (because it could potentially affect their business) and withdraw advertising. Man continues to express his opinion in a national newspaper. Free speech alive and well.
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Ulysses 17 Feb 18 9.04pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Don't play this game.
It is clearly an attack on the newspaper for publishing a particular opinion.

Do tell me how it is inappropriate to post an ad' next to a story. It happens all the time. How does a totally separate unrelated story reflect on an advertisement?
If they don't like the Daily Mail it didn't stop them advertising in it in the first place did it.

I have already outlined why I think Center Parcs thought it was inappropriate placement. In their business, corporate eyes, it absolutely is related. It's a straightforward business decision to keep as much money rolling in as possible.

No game. I just don't see how opinions are being stifled here. Man exercises his right to free speech and expresses his opinion in a national newspaper. Multi-million pound company exercise their right to respond to their customers' concerns (because it could potentially affect their business) and withdraw advertising. Man continues to express his opinion in a national newspaper. Free speech alive and well.

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Hrolf The Ganger 17 Feb 18 9.27pm
Originally posted by Ulysses I have already outlined why I think Center Parcs thought it was inappropriate placement. In their business, corporate eyes, it absolutely is related. It's a straightforward business decision to keep as much money rolling in as possible. No game. I just don't see how opinions are being stifled here. Man exercises his right to free speech and expresses his opinion in a national newspaper. Multi-million pound company exercise their right to respond to their customers' concerns (because it could potentially affect their business) and withdraw advertising. Man continues to express his opinion in a national newspaper. Free speech alive and well. What customers? Did they receive complaints? And you just pander to unknown people? How many people? Is there a magic number? The idea that an advertisment has any relationship with a story that just happens to be placed next to it is bonkers. I know exactly why the company did this. Fear of bad publicity spread by a tiny minority of 'anti hate' loons. I bet Centre Parcs have offended a lot more people by doing this.
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17 Feb 18 9.27pm

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Originally posted by Ulysses

What customers? Did they receive complaints? And you just pander to unknown people? How many people? Is there a magic number?
The idea that an advertisment has any relationship with a story that just happens to be placed next to it is bonkers.
I know exactly why the company did this. Fear of bad publicity spread by a tiny minority of 'anti hate' loons. I bet Centre Parcs have offended a lot more people by doing this.

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Stirlingsays 18 Feb 18 12.18am
Originally posted by Ulysses Except nowhere does it say that the opinion is "unacceptable", just the "inappropriate" placement of the original advert. They're a family-based holiday park, relying on all families (gay-straight-trans-black-white, etc.) to pay a (quite frankly ridiculous) amount to go there. They're a business and they're exercising their freedom of speech to make a corporate decision. Doesn't sound "nuts" to me at all. As far as I can see, no one has succeeded in censoring or banning Littlejohn - he's absolutely free to say whatever he likes. You are not commenting on the activists who seek to damage the reputation of these companies through their lefty mates in the media highlighting their complaints. So you think that companies make these decisions out of some sense of agreeing with lefty morality. The same companies who use capitalism and the courts to fight their competition with no regard to morality at all. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 Feb 18 12.18am

Originally posted by Ulysses

Except nowhere does it say that the opinion is "unacceptable", just the "inappropriate" placement of the original advert. They're a family-based holiday park, relying on all families (gay-straight-trans-black-white, etc.) to pay a (quite frankly ridiculous) amount to go there. They're a business and they're exercising their freedom of speech to make a corporate decision. Doesn't sound "nuts" to me at all. As far as I can see, no one has succeeded in censoring or banning Littlejohn - he's absolutely free to say whatever he likes.

You are not commenting on the activists who seek to damage the reputation of these companies through their lefty mates in the media highlighting their complaints.

So you think that companies make these decisions out of some sense of agreeing with lefty morality.

The same companies who use capitalism and the courts to fight their competition with no regard to morality at all.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Dave58 Ipswich 18 Feb 18 8.41am
I don’t agree with same sex couples having children, but I respect their right to do so. As for center parcs, they are just the latest in companies dropping anything that might be considered being anti gay anti woman or anti anything. Children’s hospitals gave back money from that ball that really could have been used to help I’ll children. In this modern day world of social media, there are professionals that trawl every tweet of anyone who might be a candidate for a headline that fits the current climate. It is then your personal choice if you want to donate money to certain charities, use certain companies or buy certain newspapers. I won’t donate to oxfam or great ormond, I won’t book a holiday at center parcs, and I will continue to buy the sun and daily mail. It won’t hurt them in any way, but it’s my choice.
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Ipswich 18 Feb 18 8.41am

I don’t agree with same sex couples having children, but I respect their right to do so.
As for center parcs, they are just the latest in companies dropping anything that might be considered being anti gay anti woman or anti anything. Children’s hospitals gave back money from that ball that really could have been used to help I’ll children.
In this modern day world of social media, there are professionals that trawl every tweet of anyone who might be a candidate for a headline that fits the current climate.
It is then your personal choice if you want to donate money to certain charities, use certain companies or buy certain newspapers.
I won’t donate to oxfam or great ormond, I won’t book a holiday at center parcs, and I will continue to buy the sun and daily mail.
It won’t hurt them in any way, but it’s my choice.

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gmostone 18 Feb 18 11.20am
Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle That's one more Brighton fan in the world Get a life you sad c*nt.
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18 Feb 18 11.20am

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

That's one more Brighton fan in the world

Get a life you sad c*nt.

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Ulysses 18 Feb 18 3.22pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You are not commenting on the activists who seek to damage the reputation of these companies through their lefty mates in the media highlighting their complaints. So you think that companies make these decisions out of some sense of agreeing with lefty morality. The same companies who use capitalism and the courts to fight their competition with no regard to morality at all. Of course I don't! It clearly isn't a moral decision. They couldn't give a sh!t about that - look at how much more they charge during half terms and holidays for a start. Again, it is a corporate decision - and probably a good one considering how much more advertisement they've actually received from withdrawing advertisement. They're not stupid - they know exactly what they're doing. Off topic perhaps, but as for the activists, isn't that exactly what an activist - regardless of political stance - tries to do, though, and initiate some sort of change? There must be plenty of companies who successfully ignore their antics and keep profits ticking over very well.
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Ulysses 18 Feb 18 3.22pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You are not commenting on the activists who seek to damage the reputation of these companies through their lefty mates in the media highlighting their complaints.

So you think that companies make these decisions out of some sense of agreeing with lefty morality.

The same companies who use capitalism and the courts to fight their competition with no regard to morality at all.

Of course I don't! It clearly isn't a moral decision. They couldn't give a sh!t about that - look at how much more they charge during half terms and holidays for a start. Again, it is a corporate decision - and probably a good one considering how much more advertisement they've actually received from withdrawing advertisement. They're not stupid - they know exactly what they're doing.

Off topic perhaps, but as for the activists, isn't that exactly what an activist - regardless of political stance - tries to do, though, and initiate some sort of change? There must be plenty of companies who successfully ignore their antics and keep profits ticking over very well.

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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Feb 18 3.46pm
Originally posted by Ulysses Of course I don't! It clearly isn't a moral decision. They couldn't give a sh!t about that - look at how much more they charge during half terms and holidays for a start. Again, it is a corporate decision - and probably a good one considering how much more advertisement they've actually received from withdrawing advertisement. They're not stupid - they know exactly what they're doing. Off topic perhaps, but as for the activists, isn't that exactly what an activist - regardless of political stance - tries to do, though, and initiate some sort of change? There must be plenty of companies who successfully ignore their antics and keep profits ticking over very well. It seems to me that you are defending the logic of their decision while ignoring the wider implications to society. We all know why corporations try to appear right on, but we need to think about what that profit driven remodelling of our society will look like. A tiny minority of fruitcakes are having far to big an influence just by being noisy and threatening commerce. This is the mentality of the zealous activist as this web site has experienced recently. Love everyone until they slight me, then threaten their livelihood. Total scum.
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Hrolf The Ganger

18 Feb 18 3.46pm

Originally posted by Ulysses

It seems to me that you are defending the logic of their decision while ignoring the wider implications to society. We all know why corporations try to appear right on, but we need to think about what that profit driven remodelling of our society will look like.
A tiny minority of fruitcakes are having far to big an influence just by being noisy and threatening commerce.
This is the mentality of the zealous activist as this web site has experienced recently. Love everyone until they slight me, then threaten their livelihood. Total scum.

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Ulysses 18 Feb 18 4.07pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger It seems to me that you are defending the logic of their decision while ignoring the wider implications to society. We all know why corporations try to appear right on, but we need to think about what that profit driven remodelling of our society will look like. A tiny minority of fruitcakes are having far to big an influence just by being noisy and threatening commerce. This is the mentality of the zealous activist as this web site has experienced recently. Love everyone until they slight me, then threaten their livelihood. Total scum. I wouldn't necessarily say I'm ignoring the wider implications on society: I hopefully alluded to that when I commented on whether free speech was compromised here (which I still maintain hasn't been). The activists will probably think they've won, and I do absolutely agree with your comments about vocal minorities. Ultimately, when you whittle things down, everything usually comes down to money!
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Ulysses 18 Feb 18 4.07pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I wouldn't necessarily say I'm ignoring the wider implications on society: I hopefully alluded to that when I commented on whether free speech was compromised here (which I still maintain hasn't been). The activists will probably think they've won, and I do absolutely agree with your comments about vocal minorities.

Ultimately, when you whittle things down, everything usually comes down to money!

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Stirlingsays 18 Feb 18 4.50pm
Originally posted by Ulysses Of course I don't! It clearly isn't a moral decision. They couldn't give a sh!t about that - look at how much more they charge during half terms and holidays for a start. Again, it is a corporate decision - and probably a good one considering how much more advertisement they've actually received from withdrawing advertisement. They're not stupid - they know exactly what they're doing. Off topic perhaps, but as for the activists, isn't that exactly what an activist - regardless of political stance - tries to do, though, and initiate some sort of change? There must be plenty of companies who successfully ignore their antics and keep profits ticking over very well. I wouldn't disagree with most of that commentary. However, I most strongly object to these companies caving to activists because of what amounts to media bullying. There is a section of both the far or activist left and right who are prepared to sack people and disown people and publicly dox people and while.....the lefty ones hold sway culturally at the moment I consider this kind of activist power as negative for society and something that needs to be reigned in. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

18 Feb 18 4.50pm

Originally posted by Ulysses

I wouldn't disagree with most of that commentary.

However, I most strongly object to these companies caving to activists because of what amounts to media bullying.

There is a section of both the far or activist left and right who are prepared to sack people and disown people and publicly dox people and while.....the lefty ones hold sway culturally at the moment I consider this kind of activist power as negative for society and something that needs to be reigned in.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 18 Feb 18 4.52pm
Originally posted by Ulysses Ultimately, when you whittle things down, everything usually comes down to money! Could you float me a fiver? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 Feb 18 4.52pm

Originally posted by Ulysses

Ultimately, when you whittle things down, everything usually comes down to money!

Could you float me a fiver?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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johnfirewall 19 Feb 18 10.29am
Enough kids in the world already so we should look at a fair and efficient adoption system. That's my only issue. My real problem is with people who would reject my criticism, and those who if down the line are faced with a soaring percentage of population being in therapy, would blame those who don't subscribe to their ideals. Edited by johnfirewall (19 Feb 2018 10.37am)
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19 Feb 18 10.29am

Enough kids in the world already so we should look at a fair and efficient adoption system.

That's my only issue. My real problem is with people who would reject my criticism, and those who if down the line are faced with a soaring percentage of population being in therapy, would blame those who don't subscribe to their ideals.

Edited by johnfirewall (19 Feb 2018 10.37am)

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Hrolf The Ganger 19 Feb 18 11.19am
Originally posted by johnfirewall Enough kids in the world already so we should look at a fair and efficient adoption system. That's my only issue. My real problem is with people who would reject my criticism, and those who if down the line are faced with a soaring percentage of population being in therapy, would blame those who don't subscribe to their ideals. Edited by johnfirewall (19 Feb 2018 10.37am) People don't think beyond their own selfish needs and then play the victim when they are called out about it.
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Hrolf The Ganger

19 Feb 18 11.19am

Originally posted by johnfirewall

Enough kids in the world already so we should look at a fair and efficient adoption system.

That's my only issue. My real problem is with people who would reject my criticism, and those who if down the line are faced with a soaring percentage of population being in therapy, would blame those who don't subscribe to their ideals.

Edited by johnfirewall (19 Feb 2018 10.37am)

People don't think beyond their own selfish needs and then play the victim when they are called out about it.

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