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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 23 Nov 17 1.01pm

Originally posted by cryrst

I read that foxes are born with mange
So have a 2-3 year lifespan.
Even dead ones in the road don't get eaten by crows and magpies or even other foxes.
Even zoos turn them down.
Nasty little vermin germ ridden creatures IMO.
But part of the circle of life AS THEY SAY.

But great rat catchers, i often see a fox with said rat in his mouth late at night driving in london, the standard had a great article about the fox, said the average fox kills 6 rats a day in the city, dogs also get the mange, and they dont catch it from the fox!

 

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sitdownstandup Flag 24 Nov 17 12.20pm Send a Private Message to sitdownstandup Add sitdownstandup as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

I read that foxes are born with mange
So have a 2-3 year lifespan.
Even dead ones in the road don't get eaten by crows and magpies or even other foxes.
Even zoos turn them down.
Nasty little vermin germ ridden creatures IMO.
But part of the circle of life AS THEY SAY.


Foxes may be a problem for some but they don't cause half the problems that people do. Fox hunters are doughnuts and are protected by the law. If they were put in the position of the foxes they'd soon be screaming for justice.

 


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npn Flag Crowborough 24 Nov 17 12.38pm Send a Private Message to npn Add npn as a friend

Sadly the story reported seems to only include "posh bird hits bloke with stick" but there's not enough background. It seems to imply they were there to partake in a drag hunt (totally legal, no foxes involved) but the sabs claimed to believe (doesn't seem to say why) that it was a cover and they intended to hunt foxes, in which case they could argue their intervention was to prevent a crime (grabbing a horse is still stupid and reckless though). Also I've seen a couple of claims that the horsewoman used the horse to ride into the sabs first before the footage starts (seems very unlikely as it would put her and the horse in danger).

Shoddy journalism all round IMO

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 24 Nov 17 1.47pm

Originally posted by sitdownstandup


Foxes may be a problem for some but they don't cause half the problems that people do. Fox hunters are doughnuts and are protected by the law. If they were put in the position of the foxes they'd soon be screaming for justice.

well said mate !

 

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Stuk Flag Top half 24 Nov 17 2.23pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

You can, and its called a citizens arrest. If they're breaking the law by conducting an illegal hunt, then individuals are legally entitled to facilitate a lawful citizens arrest, using minimum force.

Also as trespass is a civil crime, you probably could enact a citizens arrest on private land, to prevent the facilitation of a criminal offence.

Most sabs could probably take advantage of this but don't.

You can't break one law to enforce another.

In England and Wales certain forms of trespassing, generally those which involve squatters, raves and hunt saboteurs are covered by criminal law.

Alright now?

 


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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 24 Nov 17 2.25pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by Stuk

Of course they can. If you rent a hotel room and someone else barges in to it can you not ask them to leave?

The illegal part is the trespassing, even when it's accidental. Not that this was.

It might not be trespass, as rural areas have a lot of public rights of way
Two groups of people taking the law into their own hands.

That was a savage whipping the guy took from the female rider. (I am getting stirrings in my loins. Reminds me of an ex-girlfriend )

Both groups should have called the police, if they felt there was anything illegal going on.

 


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Stuk Flag Top half 24 Nov 17 2.29pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

It might not be trespass, as rural areas have a lot of public rights of way
Two groups of people taking the law into their own hands.

That was a savage whipping the guy took from the female rider. (I am getting stirrings in my loins. Reminds me of an ex-girlfriend )

Both groups should have called the police, if they felt there was anything illegal going on.

It was, by the saboteur's own admission. I covered this earlier in the thread.

Both groups should just stay the f*** away from each other. Much easier.

 


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topcat Flag Holmesdale / Surbiton 24 Nov 17 2.38pm Send a Private Message to topcat Add topcat as a friend

Originally posted by npn

Sadly the story reported seems to only include "posh bird hits bloke with stick" but there's not enough background. It seems to imply they were there to partake in a drag hunt (totally legal, no foxes involved) but the sabs claimed to believe (doesn't seem to say why) that it was a cover and they intended to hunt foxes, in which case they could argue their intervention was to prevent a crime (grabbing a horse is still stupid and reckless though). Also I've seen a couple of claims that the horsewoman used the horse to ride into the sabs first before the footage starts (seems very unlikely as it would put her and the horse in danger).

Shoddy journalism all round IMO

The Metro website has a video that starts earlier than the others and includes the riders riding at the saboteurs and also looking to mow them down on quad bikes.

 


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npn Flag Crowborough 24 Nov 17 2.57pm Send a Private Message to npn Add npn as a friend

Originally posted by topcat

The Metro website has a video that starts earlier than the others and includes the riders riding at the saboteurs and also looking to mow them down on quad bikes.

Thanks for that - just watched it, but still seems inconclusive. She rides very aggressively after the event (towards the end of the footage) but whether that's due to the earlier stuff is hard to tell. Both groups seem unnecessarily aggressive (though, given it was supposedly a drag hunt, I do understand why the riders would be p*ssed off that people would go out of their way to disrupt a perfectly legal and moral event). Having said that, I don't know whether there is a history of this particular hunt targeting foxes illegally under the cover of drag hunting?

 

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Stuk Flag Top half 24 Nov 17 2.58pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by topcat

The Metro website has a video that starts earlier than the others and includes the riders riding at the saboteurs and also looking to mow them down on quad bikes.

Remember who's footage it is, it's hardly going to be balanced and impartial.

 


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Oliver Flag Bodega Bay 24 Nov 17 7.02pm Send a Private Message to Oliver Add Oliver as a friend

Originally posted by Stuk

You can't break one law to enforce another.

In England and Wales certain forms of trespassing, generally those which involve squatters, raves and hunt saboteurs are covered by criminal law.

Alright now?

Trespass is a civil offence. Aggravated Trespass is a criminal offence. To be convicted of aggravated Trespass you must be preventing someone carrying out lawful activity

 


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