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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 23 Nov 17 1.01pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I read that foxes are born with mange But great rat catchers, i often see a fox with said rat in his mouth late at night driving in london, the standard had a great article about the fox, said the average fox kills 6 rats a day in the city, dogs also get the mange, and they dont catch it from the fox!
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sitdownstandup 24 Nov 17 12.20pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I read that foxes are born with mange
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npn Crowborough 24 Nov 17 12.38pm | |
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Sadly the story reported seems to only include "posh bird hits bloke with stick" but there's not enough background. It seems to imply they were there to partake in a drag hunt (totally legal, no foxes involved) but the sabs claimed to believe (doesn't seem to say why) that it was a cover and they intended to hunt foxes, in which case they could argue their intervention was to prevent a crime (grabbing a horse is still stupid and reckless though). Also I've seen a couple of claims that the horsewoman used the horse to ride into the sabs first before the footage starts (seems very unlikely as it would put her and the horse in danger). Shoddy journalism all round IMO
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 24 Nov 17 1.47pm | |
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Originally posted by sitdownstandup
well said mate !
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Stuk Top half 24 Nov 17 2.23pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
You can, and its called a citizens arrest. If they're breaking the law by conducting an illegal hunt, then individuals are legally entitled to facilitate a lawful citizens arrest, using minimum force. Also as trespass is a civil crime, you probably could enact a citizens arrest on private land, to prevent the facilitation of a criminal offence. Most sabs could probably take advantage of this but don't. You can't break one law to enforce another. In England and Wales certain forms of trespassing, generally those which involve squatters, raves and hunt saboteurs are covered by criminal law. Alright now?
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 24 Nov 17 2.25pm | |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Of course they can. If you rent a hotel room and someone else barges in to it can you not ask them to leave? The illegal part is the trespassing, even when it's accidental. Not that this was. It might not be trespass, as rural areas have a lot of public rights of way That was a savage whipping the guy took from the female rider. (I am getting stirrings in my loins. Reminds me of an ex-girlfriend ) Both groups should have called the police, if they felt there was anything illegal going on.
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Stuk Top half 24 Nov 17 2.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
It might not be trespass, as rural areas have a lot of public rights of way That was a savage whipping the guy took from the female rider. (I am getting stirrings in my loins. Reminds me of an ex-girlfriend ) Both groups should have called the police, if they felt there was anything illegal going on. It was, by the saboteur's own admission. I covered this earlier in the thread. Both groups should just stay the f*** away from each other. Much easier.
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topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 24 Nov 17 2.38pm | |
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Originally posted by npn
Sadly the story reported seems to only include "posh bird hits bloke with stick" but there's not enough background. It seems to imply they were there to partake in a drag hunt (totally legal, no foxes involved) but the sabs claimed to believe (doesn't seem to say why) that it was a cover and they intended to hunt foxes, in which case they could argue their intervention was to prevent a crime (grabbing a horse is still stupid and reckless though). Also I've seen a couple of claims that the horsewoman used the horse to ride into the sabs first before the footage starts (seems very unlikely as it would put her and the horse in danger). Shoddy journalism all round IMO The Metro website has a video that starts earlier than the others and includes the riders riding at the saboteurs and also looking to mow them down on quad bikes.
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npn Crowborough 24 Nov 17 2.57pm | |
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Originally posted by topcat
The Metro website has a video that starts earlier than the others and includes the riders riding at the saboteurs and also looking to mow them down on quad bikes. Thanks for that - just watched it, but still seems inconclusive. She rides very aggressively after the event (towards the end of the footage) but whether that's due to the earlier stuff is hard to tell. Both groups seem unnecessarily aggressive (though, given it was supposedly a drag hunt, I do understand why the riders would be p*ssed off that people would go out of their way to disrupt a perfectly legal and moral event). Having said that, I don't know whether there is a history of this particular hunt targeting foxes illegally under the cover of drag hunting?
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Stuk Top half 24 Nov 17 2.58pm | |
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Originally posted by topcat
The Metro website has a video that starts earlier than the others and includes the riders riding at the saboteurs and also looking to mow them down on quad bikes. Remember who's footage it is, it's hardly going to be balanced and impartial.
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Oliver Bodega Bay 24 Nov 17 7.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Stuk
You can't break one law to enforce another. In England and Wales certain forms of trespassing, generally those which involve squatters, raves and hunt saboteurs are covered by criminal law. Alright now? Trespass is a civil offence. Aggravated Trespass is a criminal offence. To be convicted of aggravated Trespass you must be preventing someone carrying out lawful activity
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johnno42000 25 Nov 17 9.27am | |
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She's a keeper
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