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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 04 Nov 17 11.59am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by elgrande

You are still missing my point kermit,i have huge sympathy with the kids in the tents.
That is not my point,if someone is willing to take a child(hopefully) from a refugee camp,why have they not taken one of the 1000s of children here in tbe care system.
We are crying out for foster/adoptive parents here.
Think of the s*** the kids here have had to go through,sexual/physical abuse.

It's not as simple as that, unfortunately. It can take years to get 'the right fit' for both sides, the red tape, the lack of info about the options, etc.

What it boils down to whether the kids are refugees or not is trying to get the placement correct. If a UK child with their own respective history were a better fit for a certain couple then that is the way to go.

 


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elgrande Flag bedford 04 Nov 17 12.07pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

It's not as simple as that, unfortunately. It can take years to get 'the right fit' for both sides, the red tape, the lack of info about the options, etc.

What it boils down to whether the kids are refugees or not is trying to get the placement correct. If a UK child with their own respective history were a better fit for a certain couple then that is the way to go.

Kermit,I totally understand all that,but my point is how we are going to fit up to another 3000 children into an already overstretched system.
And what fairness is to the the children already in our system.

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 04 Nov 17 12.10pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

The thing is, not taking in immigrants and refugees isn't a decision made with the head.

It comes from a nationalistic impulse, which still conceives of the world as a Darwinian social competition. If, like Syria, your country has lost the race, then regardless of the circumstances, too bad. On the other end, Britain can interfere in other country's affairs, bomb them and sell them weapons, and as long as it keeps us at the front of the race, then it's accepted. Any repercussions, or even any responsibility for our actions, shouldn't cloud our need to prop up our GDP and maintain 'peace' within our borders.

And what is the 'peace' we are protecting? It's a crony despotism, where the same people who are selling the weapons which are creating refugees are building the most complex civil surveillance systems in the world and watching us like perverts, are making billions as they do it, returning none of the profits back to society, and leaving our schools, hospitals and public services in a f*cking mess. When things go wrong, we can blame the refugees they are creating, and as long as the headlines about GDP rising continue, no one, they believe, will do anything to challenge them.

So what does my head tell me? It tells me that our creaking workplace is being propped up by jobs in retails and services, and having worked many jobs in those fields and knowing people who do, I know they are close to breaking point and will soon collapse because we are losing the immigrant labour force who are the only f*cking people who will do those sh*t jobs for that sh*t pay. My brain tells me that I'm working in a school for kids who have mental disabilities and come from incredibly deprived backgrounds, and I don't even have the f*cking resources as a teacher to give them a chance in life, because the c*nts in the skyscrapers next to where I work won't pay their f*cking taxes.

And what does my heart tell me? That our bullsh*t British bravado, w*nk over Will and Kate, cheerfully elect whichever next pr*ck walks out of Eton again and again and grin and bear it while they rob us of our f*cking money, is justifying us allowing thousands, if not millions, of women and children to drown in the sea. That I have more in common with someone from Syria who's been f*cked over by the powers that be than I do with the faceless suits who work across the road from me. That they decide who the 'necessary sacrifices' are in this big old bullsh*t game of politics and that in another world, at another time, it could just as easily have been my insignificant f*cking body in their f*cking firing line as some poor sod from Afghanistan.

So please, those who want them all to drown, stop pretending your f*cking arguments are coming from the head. Rant over.

What's your point.
Is it all the west's fault then.
About the 'children and Syria Iraq issues.
Bulls**t it's their thought process of civilisation and how they perceive they should live.
They are 500 years behind the west as in Islam to Christianity.
Going on long before we tried to help and I hadn't heard of Islam till 30 years ago, in any capacity that I gave a s**t anyway.
We have NO obligation to help anyone but ourselves , that's life and the human doctrine. An inbuilt method of survival.
Dog eat dog.
Half of those people would see us dead and dance on our graves.
Yes I'm alright jack.

 

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elgrande Flag bedford 04 Nov 17 12.14pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

It's not as simple as that, unfortunately. It can take years to get 'the right fit' for both sides, the red tape, the lack of info about the options, etc.

What it boils down to whether the kids are refugees or not is trying to get the placement correct. If a UK child with their own respective history were a better fit for a certain couple then that is the way to go.

Just had a quick look,and in march 2015,65,000 children in local authority care.
Thats a f***ing massive amount of poor little people needing love.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 04 Nov 17 12.16pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by elgrande

Kermit,I totally understand all that,but my point is how we are going to fit up to another 3000 children into an already overstretched system.
And what fairness is to the the children already in our system.


As mentioned earlier the system is already flawed so obviously it wouldn't make things easier but in times of crises sometimes the correct option, the right thing to do, is to act first and work out the logistics later.

The 3,000 - they can be seen as just an inconvenient number putting more pressure on a sector or they can be seen as 3,000 very scared orphaned children who were just born in the wrong place at the wrong time and need a helping hand. Each has to choose their view.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 04 Nov 17 12.18pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by elgrande

Just had a quick look,and in march 2015,65,000 children in local authority care.
Thats a f***ing massive amount of poor little people needing love.

They aren't all up for adoption though. Majority will be temporary residents or ones on their way to decent foster care hopefully.

And some will be 'orrible spotty teenage oiks. No, thanks.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 04 Nov 17 12.25pm

Is it fair on them to take in these people. After all, we have been told on this forum, that people in the UK are going to die this winter of starvation and health issues due to the policies of the wicked Tory government. Surely we should be trying to get them to safer countries?

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 04 Nov 17 12.29pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Is it fair on them to take in these people. After all, we have been told on this forum, that people in the UK are going to die this winter of starvation and health issues due to the policies of the wicked Tory government. Surely we should be trying to get them to safer countries?

 


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elgrande Flag bedford 04 Nov 17 12.29pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

They aren't all up for adoption though. Majority will be temporary residents or ones on their way to decent foster care hopefully.

And some will be 'orrible spotty teenage oiks. No, thanks.

Does it matter,they are all vulnerable young people who need help/ or security of some kind.

 


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elgrande Flag bedford 04 Nov 17 12.30pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Is it fair on them to take in these people. After all, we have been told on this forum, that people in the UK are going to die this winter of starvation and health issues due to the policies of the wicked Tory government. Surely we should be trying to get them to safer countries?

That is actually quite funny.....

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 04 Nov 17 12.40pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

What's your point.
Is it all the west's fault then.
About the 'children and Syria Iraq issues.
Bulls**t it's their thought process of civilisation and how they perceive they should live.
They are 500 years behind the west as in Islam to Christianity.
Going on long before we tried to help and I hadn't heard of Islam till 30 years ago, in any capacity that I gave a s**t anyway.
We have NO obligation to help anyone but ourselves , that's life and the human doctrine. An inbuilt method of survival.
Dog eat dog.
Half of those people would see us dead and dance on our graves.
Yes I'm alright jack.


On a personal level, I hate to see people suffer but on a practical one, you are dead right.

 

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Park Road Flag 04 Nov 17 12.40pm

Originally posted by Kermit8


Wouldn't that be more to do with their own serious home terrorism problems committed by some of their own people from the 70's through to the 90's dissipating?

Also, not sure if 'Islamist' extremists would be applying for asylum all the way over in Japan? Doesn't quite fit their Jihad v The West narrative.

no terror attacks since 1995 that's 20 + years.
Who are these Japanese terrorists? can't find any names or references about them.
There was a sarin attack on the metro described as domestic terrorism in 1995 the most deadliest attack in japan since WW II.
Finally, Jihad is v the world not just the west which is common knowledge.

 

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