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Kermit8 Hevon 04 Nov 17 11.59am | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
You are still missing my point kermit,i have huge sympathy with the kids in the tents. It's not as simple as that, unfortunately. It can take years to get 'the right fit' for both sides, the red tape, the lack of info about the options, etc. What it boils down to whether the kids are refugees or not is trying to get the placement correct. If a UK child with their own respective history were a better fit for a certain couple then that is the way to go.
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elgrande bedford 04 Nov 17 12.07pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
It's not as simple as that, unfortunately. It can take years to get 'the right fit' for both sides, the red tape, the lack of info about the options, etc. What it boils down to whether the kids are refugees or not is trying to get the placement correct. If a UK child with their own respective history were a better fit for a certain couple then that is the way to go. Kermit,I totally understand all that,but my point is how we are going to fit up to another 3000 children into an already overstretched system.
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cryrst The garden of England 04 Nov 17 12.10pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
The thing is, not taking in immigrants and refugees isn't a decision made with the head. It comes from a nationalistic impulse, which still conceives of the world as a Darwinian social competition. If, like Syria, your country has lost the race, then regardless of the circumstances, too bad. On the other end, Britain can interfere in other country's affairs, bomb them and sell them weapons, and as long as it keeps us at the front of the race, then it's accepted. Any repercussions, or even any responsibility for our actions, shouldn't cloud our need to prop up our GDP and maintain 'peace' within our borders. And what is the 'peace' we are protecting? It's a crony despotism, where the same people who are selling the weapons which are creating refugees are building the most complex civil surveillance systems in the world and watching us like perverts, are making billions as they do it, returning none of the profits back to society, and leaving our schools, hospitals and public services in a f*cking mess. When things go wrong, we can blame the refugees they are creating, and as long as the headlines about GDP rising continue, no one, they believe, will do anything to challenge them. So what does my head tell me? It tells me that our creaking workplace is being propped up by jobs in retails and services, and having worked many jobs in those fields and knowing people who do, I know they are close to breaking point and will soon collapse because we are losing the immigrant labour force who are the only f*cking people who will do those sh*t jobs for that sh*t pay. My brain tells me that I'm working in a school for kids who have mental disabilities and come from incredibly deprived backgrounds, and I don't even have the f*cking resources as a teacher to give them a chance in life, because the c*nts in the skyscrapers next to where I work won't pay their f*cking taxes. And what does my heart tell me? That our bullsh*t British bravado, w*nk over Will and Kate, cheerfully elect whichever next pr*ck walks out of Eton again and again and grin and bear it while they rob us of our f*cking money, is justifying us allowing thousands, if not millions, of women and children to drown in the sea. That I have more in common with someone from Syria who's been f*cked over by the powers that be than I do with the faceless suits who work across the road from me. That they decide who the 'necessary sacrifices' are in this big old bullsh*t game of politics and that in another world, at another time, it could just as easily have been my insignificant f*cking body in their f*cking firing line as some poor sod from Afghanistan. So please, those who want them all to drown, stop pretending your f*cking arguments are coming from the head. Rant over. What's your point.
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elgrande bedford 04 Nov 17 12.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
It's not as simple as that, unfortunately. It can take years to get 'the right fit' for both sides, the red tape, the lack of info about the options, etc. What it boils down to whether the kids are refugees or not is trying to get the placement correct. If a UK child with their own respective history were a better fit for a certain couple then that is the way to go. Just had a quick look,and in march 2015,65,000 children in local authority care.
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Kermit8 Hevon 04 Nov 17 12.16pm | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Kermit,I totally understand all that,but my point is how we are going to fit up to another 3000 children into an already overstretched system.
The 3,000 - they can be seen as just an inconvenient number putting more pressure on a sector or they can be seen as 3,000 very scared orphaned children who were just born in the wrong place at the wrong time and need a helping hand. Each has to choose their view.
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Kermit8 Hevon 04 Nov 17 12.18pm | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Just had a quick look,and in march 2015,65,000 children in local authority care. They aren't all up for adoption though. Majority will be temporary residents or ones on their way to decent foster care hopefully. And some will be 'orrible spotty teenage oiks. No, thanks.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 04 Nov 17 12.25pm | |
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Is it fair on them to take in these people. After all, we have been told on this forum, that people in the UK are going to die this winter of starvation and health issues due to the policies of the wicked Tory government. Surely we should be trying to get them to safer countries?
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Kermit8 Hevon 04 Nov 17 12.29pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Is it fair on them to take in these people. After all, we have been told on this forum, that people in the UK are going to die this winter of starvation and health issues due to the policies of the wicked Tory government. Surely we should be trying to get them to safer countries?
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elgrande bedford 04 Nov 17 12.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
They aren't all up for adoption though. Majority will be temporary residents or ones on their way to decent foster care hopefully. And some will be 'orrible spotty teenage oiks. No, thanks. Does it matter,they are all vulnerable young people who need help/ or security of some kind.
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elgrande bedford 04 Nov 17 12.30pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Is it fair on them to take in these people. After all, we have been told on this forum, that people in the UK are going to die this winter of starvation and health issues due to the policies of the wicked Tory government. Surely we should be trying to get them to safer countries? That is actually quite funny.....
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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Nov 17 12.40pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
What's your point.
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Park Road 04 Nov 17 12.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Also, not sure if 'Islamist' extremists would be applying for asylum all the way over in Japan? Doesn't quite fit their Jihad v The West narrative. no terror attacks since 1995 that's 20 + years.
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