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Bert the Head Epsom 25 Sep 17 9.53pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Labour has not provided opposition on the issue of our times. Probably a majority do not want brexit now but labour does not represent them and there is no reason why they should vote labour in that case. Not credible in my view you can't just brush such an issue under the carpet. Played it 'cool' once too often. That is rubbish. The Tories have adopted the Labour position for starters. Its a good Opposition that makes the government adopt their position. You say the majority do not want Brexit but other posters say Labour do not represent the Brexit that people voted for. The country is very divided. The EU wasn't perfect but a lot of blame for the symptoms of neo-liberalism have been placed at the EUs door. Labour has started people talking about those things while starting to re-appraise what Brexit means. Brexit is a minefield. The Tories having started it and do not don't have a clue. Labour realise how difficult it is and are flushing out the questions. Edited by Bert the Head (25 Sep 2017 9.54pm)
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Bert the Head

Epsom 25 Sep 17 9.53pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Labour has not provided opposition on the issue of our times.

Probably a majority do not want brexit now but labour does not represent them and there is no reason why they should vote labour in that case.

Not credible in my view you can't just brush such an issue under the carpet.

Played it 'cool' once too often.

That is rubbish. The Tories have adopted the Labour position for starters. Its a good Opposition that makes the government adopt their position.

You say the majority do not want Brexit but other posters say Labour do not represent the Brexit that people voted for.

The country is very divided. The EU wasn't perfect but a lot of blame for the symptoms of neo-liberalism have been placed at the EUs door. Labour has started people talking about those things while starting to re-appraise what Brexit means.

Brexit is a minefield. The Tories having started it and do not don't have a clue. Labour realise how difficult it is and are flushing out the questions.

Edited by Bert the Head (25 Sep 2017 9.54pm)

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Bert the Head Epsom 25 Sep 17 10.01pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Day one of the Communist par.....sorry Labour party conference today. Essentially Kinnock failed....I wonder what he's doing now? You do not have a clue what communism means. You mistake any voice against a problem of Capitalism as communist. Kinnock failed but neoliberalism was new and shiny then. Now its old enough to be seen as crock of sh*t for most people. Time for a change. Time for a voice that against the problems of Capitalism. Call it whatever you like. But essentially its just good old common sense.
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Bert the Head

Epsom 25 Sep 17 10.01pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Day one of the Communist par.....sorry Labour party conference today.

Essentially Kinnock failed....I wonder what he's doing now?

You do not have a clue what communism means. You mistake any voice against a problem of Capitalism as communist.

Kinnock failed but neoliberalism was new and shiny then. Now its old enough to be seen as crock of sh*t for most people. Time for a change. Time for a voice that against the problems of Capitalism.

Call it whatever you like. But essentially its just good old common sense.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 25 Sep 17 10.15pm
Originally posted by Bert the Head You do not have a clue what communism means. You mistake any voice against a problem of Capitalism as communist. Kinnock failed but neoliberalism was new and shiny then. Now its old enough to be seen as crock of sh*t for most people. Time for a change. Time for a voice that against the problems of Capitalism. Call it whatever you like. But essentially its just good old common sense. So what is your alternative to capitalism - does it have a name? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 25 Sep 17 10.15pm

Originally posted by Bert the Head

You do not have a clue what communism means. You mistake any voice against a problem of Capitalism as communist.

Kinnock failed but neoliberalism was new and shiny then. Now its old enough to be seen as crock of sh*t for most people. Time for a change. Time for a voice that against the problems of Capitalism.

Call it whatever you like. But essentially its just good old common sense.

So what is your alternative to capitalism - does it have a name?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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.TUX. 25 Sep 17 10.24pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 So what is your alternative to capitalism - does it have a name? Where does capitalism come into anything when we don't live in a capitalist society? Buy Litecoin.
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25 Sep 17 10.24pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

So what is your alternative to capitalism - does it have a name?

Where does capitalism come into anything when we don't live in a capitalist society?

Buy Litecoin.

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 25 Sep 17 11.36pm
Originally posted by nickgusset One of our own. [Link] A 'Genocide of Disabled People' FFS. Hyperbole Central. Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 25 Sep 17 11.36pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

One of our own.

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A 'Genocide of Disabled People' FFS. Hyperbole Central.

Pro USA & Israel

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 26 Sep 17 12.00am
Originally posted by Jimenez A 'Genocide of Disabled People' FFS. Hyperbole Central. Indeed. Doesn't mean that disabled people haven't had a horrendously s***e time of it because of cuts to benefits and unending bureaucracy they have to face does it?
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Shizzlehurst 26 Sep 17 12.00am

Originally posted by Jimenez

A 'Genocide of Disabled People' FFS. Hyperbole Central.

Indeed. Doesn't mean that disabled people haven't had a horrendously s***e time of it because of cuts to benefits and unending bureaucracy they have to face does it?

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 26 Sep 17 12.09am
Originally posted by nickgusset Indeed. Doesn't mean that disabled people haven't had a horrendously s***e time of it because of cuts to benefits and unending bureaucracy they have to face does it? I cant recall saying it didn't. Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 26 Sep 17 12.09am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Indeed. Doesn't mean that disabled people haven't had a horrendously s***e time of it because of cuts to benefits and unending bureaucracy they have to face does it?

I cant recall saying it didn't.

Pro USA & Israel

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 26 Sep 17 12.21am
Originally posted by JRW2 I'd like to be fair to Labour. I know they're pretty short on grey matter, but surely even they can't be so gullible as to believe that if they blatantly refuse to discuss the biggest political issue of the day at their annual Conference, the public won't see that it's because they're trying to hide the split in the Party. Politicians who treat the electorate like fools - as people like McDonnell have been doing today - do so at their peril. If this was a general election then I'd agree, but it's a conference. Most people aren't following it. It's mainly people into their politics or 'politics nerds' some journalists term them. Hardly enough people to cost Labour votes. Most people want to dip into politics when there's some excitement and there's an end date or a result from it all and ultimately their voting stake. Nick is right. Not debating is better than journalists having something to run with. There's more chance of someone falling over on a pebble beach or trying to rouse the crowd with 'we're alright' or some cr@ppy dance hit staying in the memory or affecting votes than not actually discussing something. It does seem as though Corbyn is becoming a bit less principled v power, and that is possibly what could get him in. Edited by Rudi Hedman (26 Sep 2017 1.03am) COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 26 Sep 17 12.21am

Originally posted by JRW2

I'd like to be fair to Labour. I know they're pretty short on grey matter, but surely even they can't be so gullible as to believe that if they blatantly refuse to discuss the biggest political issue of the day at their annual Conference, the public won't see that it's because they're trying to hide the split in the Party. Politicians who treat the electorate like fools - as people like McDonnell have been doing today - do so at their peril.

If this was a general election then I'd agree, but it's a conference. Most people aren't following it. It's mainly people into their politics or 'politics nerds' some journalists term them. Hardly enough people to cost Labour votes. Most people want to dip into politics when there's some excitement and there's an end date or a result from it all and ultimately their voting stake.

Nick is right. Not debating is better than journalists having something to run with.

There's more chance of someone falling over on a pebble beach or trying to rouse the crowd with 'we're alright' or some cr@ppy dance hit staying in the memory or affecting votes than not actually discussing something.

It does seem as though Corbyn is becoming a bit less principled v power, and that is possibly what could get him in.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (26 Sep 2017 1.03am)

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steeleye20 Croydon 26 Sep 17 12.47am
Originally posted by Bert the Head That is rubbish. The Tories have adopted the Labour position for starters. Its a good Opposition that makes the government adopt their position. You say the majority do not want Brexit but other posters say Labour do not represent the Brexit that people voted for. The country is very divided. The EU wasn't perfect but a lot of blame for the symptoms of neo-liberalism have been placed at the EUs door. Labour has started people talking about those things while starting to re-appraise what Brexit means. Brexit is a minefield. The Tories having started it and do not don't have a clue. Labour realise how difficult it is and are flushing out the questions. Edited by Bert the Head (25 Sep 2017 9.54pm) With respect you don't get it. Half the country do not want brexit. That is not represented in parliament by the govt or opposition. Harold Wilson or Tony Blair would have identified the problem and got those voters on board IMO but labour have missed out here. Vince Cable seems a really sensible guy and the only leader to offer no brexit so I will be changing. Otherwise people of like mind will be hoping that Mr Barnier remains strong he is doing ok so far. It is Mr. Barnier who is making the tories change their position not labour.
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Croydon 26 Sep 17 12.47am

Originally posted by Bert the Head

That is rubbish. The Tories have adopted the Labour position for starters. Its a good Opposition that makes the government adopt their position.

You say the majority do not want Brexit but other posters say Labour do not represent the Brexit that people voted for.

Brexit is a minefield. The Tories having started it and do not don't have a clue. Labour realise how difficult it is and are flushing out the questions.

Edited by Bert the Head (25 Sep 2017 9.54pm)

With respect you don't get it.

Half the country do not want brexit.

That is not represented in parliament by the govt or opposition.

Harold Wilson or Tony Blair would have identified the problem and got those voters on board IMO but labour have missed out here.

Vince Cable seems a really sensible guy and the only leader to offer no brexit so I will be changing.

Otherwise people of like mind will be hoping that Mr Barnier remains strong he is doing ok so far.

It is Mr. Barnier who is making the tories change their position not labour.

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serial thriller The Promised Land 26 Sep 17 7.08am
Originally posted by steeleye20 With respect you don't get it. Half the country do not want brexit. That is not represented in parliament by the govt or opposition. Harold Wilson or Tony Blair would have identified the problem and got those voters on board IMO but labour have missed out here. Vince Cable seems a really sensible guy and the only leader to offer no brexit so I will be changing. Otherwise people of like mind will be hoping that Mr Barnier remains strong he is doing ok so far. It is Mr. Barnier who is making the tories change their position not labour. If Labour were to support remaining in the EU, they would have to support escalating austerity. There is no way of them marrying their manifesto to the terms of Maastricht we have signed up to. That would either mean Corbyn and Mcdonnell going back on everything they've ever stood for, or lying to the public about what they can achieve in government. Blair undoubtedly would've done the latter, but that's because he's an oily lityle snake man who lives in the sewers and feeds on the flesh of unsuspecting orphans. Thankfully Labour have moved on from him. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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The Promised Land 26 Sep 17 7.08am

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Originally posted by steeleye20

With respect you don't get it.

Half the country do not want brexit.

That is not represented in parliament by the govt or opposition.

Harold Wilson or Tony Blair would have identified the problem and got those voters on board IMO but labour have missed out here.

Vince Cable seems a really sensible guy and the only leader to offer no brexit so I will be changing.

Otherwise people of like mind will be hoping that Mr Barnier remains strong he is doing ok so far.

It is Mr. Barnier who is making the tories change their position not labour.

If Labour were to support remaining in the EU, they would have to support escalating austerity. There is no way of them marrying their manifesto to the terms of Maastricht we have signed up to.

That would either mean Corbyn and Mcdonnell going back on everything they've ever stood for, or lying to the public about what they can achieve in government.

Blair undoubtedly would've done the latter, but that's because he's an oily lityle snake man who lives in the sewers and feeds on the flesh of unsuspecting orphans. Thankfully Labour have moved on from him.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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hedgehog50 Croydon 26 Sep 17 7.46am
Originally posted by steeleye20 With respect you don't get it. Half the country do not want brexit. That is not represented in parliament by the govt or opposition. Harold Wilson or Tony Blair would have identified the problem and got those voters on board IMO but labour have missed out here. Vince Cable seems a really sensible guy and the only leader to offer no brexit so I will be changing. Otherwise people of like mind will be hoping that Mr Barnier remains strong he is doing ok so far. It is Mr. Barnier who is making the tories change their position not labour. Are there two Vince Cables then? (Oh, and the other half the country do want Brexit, and they got off their backsides to vote for it.) Edited by hedgehog50 (26 Sep 2017 7.48am) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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hedgehog50

Croydon 26 Sep 17 7.46am

Originally posted by steeleye20

With respect you don't get it.

Half the country do not want brexit.

That is not represented in parliament by the govt or opposition.

Harold Wilson or Tony Blair would have identified the problem and got those voters on board IMO but labour have missed out here.

Vince Cable seems a really sensible guy and the only leader to offer no brexit so I will be changing.

Otherwise people of like mind will be hoping that Mr Barnier remains strong he is doing ok so far.

It is Mr. Barnier who is making the tories change their position not labour.

Are there two Vince Cables then?

(Oh, and the other half the country do want Brexit, and they got off their backsides to vote for it.)

Edited by hedgehog50 (26 Sep 2017 7.48am)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 26 Sep 17 8.54am
Originally posted by serial thriller If Labour were to support remaining in the EU, they would have to support escalating austerity. There is no way of them marrying their manifesto to the terms of Maastricht we have signed up to. That would either mean Corbyn and Mcdonnell going back on everything they've ever stood for, or lying to the public about what they can achieve in government. Blair undoubtedly would've done the latter, but that's because he's an oily lityle snake man who lives in the sewers and feeds on the flesh of unsuspecting orphans. Thankfully Labour have moved on from him. How come? COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 26 Sep 17 8.54am

Originally posted by serial thriller

If Labour were to support remaining in the EU, they would have to support escalating austerity. There is no way of them marrying their manifesto to the terms of Maastricht we have signed up to.

That would either mean Corbyn and Mcdonnell going back on everything they've ever stood for, or lying to the public about what they can achieve in government.

How come?

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