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legaleagle 22 Sep 17 8.53am
Originally posted by hedgehog50 ]Particularly on the Left, political thought is a sort of masturbation fantasy in which the world of facts hardly matters." With you and people like yourself no doubt living in a non-masturbatory world of carefully sifted objective "facts"? Pleeeaaazzzee
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22 Sep 17 8.53am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

]Particularly on the Left, political thought is a sort of masturbation fantasy in which the world of facts hardly matters."

With you and people like yourself no doubt living in a non-masturbatory world of carefully sifted objective "facts"?

Pleeeaaazzzee

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legaleagle 22 Sep 17 8.54am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I think some of the people who believe in open borders are genuinely nice people. T Blimey...
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22 Sep 17 8.54am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think some of the people who believe in open borders are genuinely nice people. T

Blimey...

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Palacetinian Surrey Fam 22 Sep 17 9.30am
On the original topic I think that Eniola Aluko would make a good coach... [Link] Supporting Crystal Palace since 19.45 on 29th August 1972 (approximately)!
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Surrey Fam 22 Sep 17 9.30am

On the original topic I think that Eniola Aluko would make a good coach...

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hedgehog50 Croydon 22 Sep 17 9.31am
Originally posted by legaleagle With you and people like yourself no doubt living in a non-masturbatory world of carefully sifted objective "facts"? Pleeeaaazzzee From the same letter: "... in one form or another almost everyone is a nationalist. Left-wing intellectuals do not think of themselves as nationalist, because as a rule they transfer their loyalty to some foreign country, such as the USSR [these days the EU], or indulge it in a merely negative form, in hatred of their own country and its rulers [still true today of course]. But their outlook is essentially nationalist, in that they think entirely in terms of power politics and competitive prestige. In looking at any situation they do not say, 'What are the facts? What are the probabilities?' but, 'How can I make it appear to myself and others that my faction is getting the better of some rival faction?' We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 22 Sep 17 9.31am

Originally posted by legaleagle

With you and people like yourself no doubt living in a non-masturbatory world of carefully sifted objective "facts"?

Pleeeaaazzzee

From the same letter:
"... in one form or another almost everyone is a nationalist. Left-wing intellectuals do not think of themselves as nationalist, because as a rule they transfer their loyalty to some foreign country, such as the USSR [these days the EU], or indulge it in a merely negative form, in hatred of their own country and its rulers [still true today of course]. But their outlook is essentially nationalist, in that they think entirely in terms of power politics and competitive prestige. In looking at any situation they do not say, 'What are the facts? What are the probabilities?' but, 'How can I make it appear to myself and others that my faction is getting the better of some rival faction?'

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Sep 17 10.12am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I think some of the people who believe in open borders are genuinely nice people. They want a better world and opportunities for all.....In a way I see their arguments the same way I view those who would ban abortion across the board (a decision I hold for myself but not others) and support nuclear unilateralism. These are not bad people....essentially it's dreamer idealism that takes no account of human nature. It's the 'All you need is love' and 'Imagine' stuff in Beatle songs.....It discounts reality....It's the playground without the bully. I try to look at life objectivity and not pander to popular and cuddly positions which....when viewed objectivity result in worldviews I can't support.....But I understand that these are worldviews and not inherently right or wrong by themselves. The road to hell is paved with good intentions......But what you might view as hell and what I might are probably two different things. I like the idea of open borders - from an ideological point it represents a perfect world. Pragamatically I don't think that's reasonable, and that any system in reality, has to be regulated to serve a social purpose. Of course there are arguments of the right that are equally futile (no immigration, no asylum) which are also based in a ideological nonsense. The problem of social engineering, is that it has to have goals, targets, criteria and a methodology that is directed to serve those. We need some immigration. What we've seen with the EU freedom of movement is it doesn't serve UK social purposes to have a system where migration isn't controlled. That doesn't tie into an ideaology of nationality, or ethnicity, or cultural preservation - its just practical that change to any system has to be regulated and control to prevent the system from too many unknown variables. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 22 Sep 17 10.12am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think some of the people who believe in open borders are genuinely nice people. They want a better world and opportunities for all.....In a way I see their arguments the same way I view those who would ban abortion across the board (a decision I hold for myself but not others) and support nuclear unilateralism. These are not bad people....essentially it's dreamer idealism that takes no account of human nature. It's the 'All you need is love' and 'Imagine' stuff in Beatle songs.....It discounts reality....It's the playground without the bully.

I try to look at life objectivity and not pander to popular and cuddly positions which....when viewed objectivity result in worldviews I can't support.....But I understand that these are worldviews and not inherently right or wrong by themselves.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions......But what you might view as hell and what I might are probably two different things.

I like the idea of open borders - from an ideological point it represents a perfect world. Pragamatically I don't think that's reasonable, and that any system in reality, has to be regulated to serve a social purpose.

Of course there are arguments of the right that are equally futile (no immigration, no asylum) which are also based in a ideological nonsense.

The problem of social engineering, is that it has to have goals, targets, criteria and a methodology that is directed to serve those.

We need some immigration. What we've seen with the EU freedom of movement is it doesn't serve UK social purposes to have a system where migration isn't controlled.

That doesn't tie into an ideaology of nationality, or ethnicity, or cultural preservation - its just practical that change to any system has to be regulated and control to prevent the system from too many unknown variables.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Sep 17 10.14am
Originally posted by hedgehog50 He said it in a letter to the left wing 'Partisan Review' in 1944. The main point of the letter was him explaining how he got some things wrong in previous letters to the review before and during the war - honest analysis as usual with George. As well as the quote already cited, the letter also has: "Appeasers, Popular Fronters, Communists, Trotskyists, Anarchists, pacifists, all claim - and in almost exactly the same tone of voice - that their prophecies and no others have been borne out by events. Particularly on the Left, political thought is a sort of masturbation fantasy in which the world of facts hardly matters." That's the same on the right, except they live in a world where they're w***ing themselves silly over outliers and statistically uncommon factors as if they're the single most important thing. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 22 Sep 17 10.14am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

He said it in a letter to the left wing 'Partisan Review' in 1944. The main point of the letter was him explaining how he got some things wrong in previous letters to the review before and during the war - honest analysis as usual with George. As well as the quote already cited, the letter also has:
"Appeasers, Popular Fronters, Communists, Trotskyists, Anarchists, pacifists, all claim - and in almost exactly the same tone of voice - that their prophecies and no others have been borne out by events. Particularly on the Left, political thought is a sort of masturbation fantasy in which the world of facts hardly matters."

That's the same on the right, except they live in a world where they're w***ing themselves silly over outliers and statistically uncommon factors as if they're the single most important thing.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Sep 17 10.16am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly and as a male Manager of a female football team, you'd feel entitled to walk into the changing-room/shower facilities to talk to players It smells 'fishy' to me,... (is it Mark Sampsons breath ?) Edited by Forest Hillbilly (22 Sep 2017 8.12am) No the midfield was very stretched whilst covering the defender "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 22 Sep 17 10.16am

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

and as a male Manager of a female football team, you'd feel entitled to walk into the changing-room/shower facilities to talk to players

It smells 'fishy' to me,... (is it Mark Sampsons breath ?)

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (22 Sep 2017 8.12am)

No the midfield was very stretched whilst covering the defender

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Hrolf The Ganger 22 Sep 17 3.28pm
Originally posted by legaleagle Ok, I get it.People who don't have an antipathy towards immigration and those who complain of racism are bellends. Say no more Judge,I think we are already clear what you are You aren't very good with reality are you legal.
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Originally posted by legaleagle

Ok, I get it.People who don't have an antipathy towards immigration and those who complain of racism are bellends. Say no more Judge,I think we are already clear what you are

You aren't very good with reality are you legal.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 24 Sep 17 2.33pm
Does anyone care much about women's football anyway? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 24 Sep 17 2.33pm

Does anyone care much about women's football anyway?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Kermit8 Hevon 24 Sep 17 2.37pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Does anyone care much about women's football anyway? Very much so. My daughter has a trial with Exeter City in the not too distant future. The Women's FA Cup Final was great too. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 24 Sep 17 2.37pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Does anyone care much about women's football anyway?

Very much so. My daughter has a trial with Exeter City in the not too distant future. The Women's FA Cup Final was great too.

Big chest and massive boobs

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hedgehog50 Croydon 24 Sep 17 2.41pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Very much so. My daughter has a trial with Exeter City in the not too distant future. The Women's FA Cup Final was great too. It's poor football, bit like the Scottish Premiership. We just have to pretend it is important. The coverage of it does not represent the real level of interest. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 24 Sep 17 2.41pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Very much so. My daughter has a trial with Exeter City in the not too distant future. The Women's FA Cup Final was great too.

It's poor football, bit like the Scottish Premiership. We just have to pretend it is important. The coverage of it does not represent the real level of interest.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Kermit8 Hevon 24 Sep 17 2.46pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 It's poor football, bit like the Scottish Premiership. We just have to pretend it is important. The coverage of it does not represent the real level of interest. It's improved massively since the 90's. A lot more physical and faster and some of the goals are worldies. Good technique too. Skill wise as good as Conference level for the top teams like Man City Ladies but they would still be bullied to defeat at that level as it stands. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 24 Sep 17 2.46pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

It's poor football, bit like the Scottish Premiership. We just have to pretend it is important. The coverage of it does not represent the real level of interest.

It's improved massively since the 90's. A lot more physical and faster and some of the goals are worldies. Good technique too. Skill wise as good as Conference level for the top teams like Man City Ladies but they would still be bullied to defeat at that level as it stands.

Big chest and massive boobs

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