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Part Time James 18 Sep 17 4.07pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Depends on how you get out. If your travelling by ship (a lot of ports) or by plane the UK is fairly reasonable. Plus its relatively easy to get a fake UK or commonwealth passport, or fake visa for an existing passport or fake passport, that can get you to the UK. Also, a lot of people in the world speak some to decent English. Also the UK seems to have a thriving illegal workers market - and one of the prime methods for getting into a country is by using people traffickers who otherwise are smuggling 'slave labour'. Weirdly it seems easier to get to the UK from Syria than it was for me getting back to Sussex from Cardiff the other week. Of course I am being flippant. It's Monday.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Depends on how you get out. If your travelling by ship (a lot of ports) or by plane the UK is fairly reasonable. Plus its relatively easy to get a fake UK or commonwealth passport, or fake visa for an existing passport or fake passport, that can get you to the UK.

Also, a lot of people in the world speak some to decent English.

Also the UK seems to have a thriving illegal workers market - and one of the prime methods for getting into a country is by using people traffickers who otherwise are smuggling 'slave labour'.

Weirdly it seems easier to get to the UK from Syria than it was for me getting back to Sussex from Cardiff the other week.

Of course I am being flippant. It's Monday.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 18 Sep 17 4.14pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yeah, especially as our history and values are apparently so terrible. Yeah, what with our 'thinly veiled prejudice' and all that! We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 18 Sep 17 4.14pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yeah, especially as our history and values are apparently so terrible.

Yeah, what with our 'thinly veiled prejudice' and all that!

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Sep 17 4.17pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Yeah, what with our 'thinly veiled prejudice' and all that! Your, not our. It was specific, not generic. I have no issue with Sterlingsays. So how is that an open door policy, when only 34% of applicants are accepted, and the rate of acceptance is actually higher via the court appeal service than from the immigration control system. Edited by jamiemartin721 (18 Sep 2017 4.18pm) "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 18 Sep 17 4.17pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Yeah, what with our 'thinly veiled prejudice' and all that!

Your, not our. It was specific, not generic. I have no issue with Sterlingsays.

So how is that an open door policy, when only 34% of applicants are accepted, and the rate of acceptance is actually higher via the court appeal service than from the immigration control system.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (18 Sep 2017 4.18pm)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Sep 17 4.22pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Your, not our. It was specific, not generic. I have no issue with Sterlingsays. So how is that an open door policy, when only 34% of applicants are accepted, and the rate of acceptance is actually higher via the court appeal service than from the immigration control system. Edited by jamiemartin721 (18 Sep 2017 4.18pm) The same way that man made global warming is a fabrication because caring about the environment is a 'left issue'
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Shizzlehurst 18 Sep 17 4.22pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Your, not our. It was specific, not generic. I have no issue with Sterlingsays.

So how is that an open door policy, when only 34% of applicants are accepted, and the rate of acceptance is actually higher via the court appeal service than from the immigration control system.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (18 Sep 2017 4.18pm)

The same way that man made global warming is a fabrication because caring about the environment is a 'left issue'

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hedgehog50 Croydon 18 Sep 17 4.27pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Your, not our. It was specific, not generic. I have no issue with Sterlingsays. So how is that an open door policy, when only 34% of applicants are accepted, and the rate of acceptance is actually higher via the court appeal service than from the immigration control system. Edited by jamiemartin721 (18 Sep 2017 4.18pm) Fine, I'll change my wording to: "Thinly veiled prejudice? So pointing out that allowing thousands of refugees in is dangerous, is prejudice? Bit like when you post, we assume its going to be a load of not so thinly veiled left wing spin." Also query your figures - The UK received around 40,000 applications for asylum in 2015. The average rate of grant of asylum in the last ten years, including grants following appeal, is just over 50%'. Yet, of those denied asylum in the last ten years, just 40% were removed. Thus more than three-quarters of those who claimed asylum in the UK are probably still in the country. Edited by hedgehog50 (18 Sep 2017 4.28pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 18 Sep 17 4.27pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Your, not our. It was specific, not generic. I have no issue with Sterlingsays.

So how is that an open door policy, when only 34% of applicants are accepted, and the rate of acceptance is actually higher via the court appeal service than from the immigration control system.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (18 Sep 2017 4.18pm)

Fine, I'll change my wording to:
"Thinly veiled prejudice? So pointing out that allowing thousands of refugees in is dangerous, is prejudice? Bit like when you post, we assume its going to be a load of not so thinly veiled left wing spin."
Also query your figures - The UK received around 40,000 applications for asylum in 2015. The average rate of grant of asylum in the last ten years, including grants following appeal, is just over 50%'. Yet, of those denied asylum in the last ten years, just 40% were removed. Thus more than three-quarters of those who claimed asylum in the UK are probably still in the country.

Edited by hedgehog50 (18 Sep 2017 4.28pm)

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jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Sep 17 4.30pm
Originally posted by Part Time James Weirdly it seems easier to get to the UK from Syria than it was for me getting back to Sussex from Cardiff the other week. Of course I am being flippant. It's Monday. Almost all of the Syrian refugees in the UK were people here when the civil war started, typically working for the embassy, studying or families of those working at the Embassy - All of whom were automatically granted temporary residence on the basis their home nation was enveloped in a civil war. Getting back from Cardiff for me is a piece of piss, M4 all the way baby. Just over two hours. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 18 Sep 17 4.30pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

Weirdly it seems easier to get to the UK from Syria than it was for me getting back to Sussex from Cardiff the other week.

Of course I am being flippant. It's Monday.

Almost all of the Syrian refugees in the UK were people here when the civil war started, typically working for the embassy, studying or families of those working at the Embassy - All of whom were automatically granted temporary residence on the basis their home nation was enveloped in a civil war.

Getting back from Cardiff for me is a piece of piss, M4 all the way baby. Just over two hours.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Sep 17 4.32pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Fine, I'll change my wording to: "Thinly veiled prejudice? So pointing out that allowing thousands of refugees in is dangerous, is prejudice? Bit like when you post, we assume its going to be a load of not so thinly veiled left wing spin." Also query your figures - The UK received around 40,000 applications for asylum in 2015. The average rate of grant of asylum in the last ten years, including grants following appeal, is just over 50%'. Yet, of those denied asylum in the last ten years, just 40% were removed. Thus more than three-quarters of those who claimed asylum in the UK are probably still in the country. Edited by hedgehog50 (18 Sep 2017 4.28pm) So by your own evidence, its not an open door policy. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 18 Sep 17 4.32pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Edited by hedgehog50 (18 Sep 2017 4.28pm)

So by your own evidence, its not an open door policy.

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Part Time James 18 Sep 17 4.39pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Almost all of the Syrian refugees in the UK were people here when the civil war started, typically working for the embassy, studying or families of those working at the Embassy - All of whom were automatically granted temporary residence on the basis their home nation was enveloped in a civil war. Getting back from Cardiff for me is a piece of piss, M4 all the way baby. Just over two hours. Oh, I was on the train. To be honest, I've turned this into a rant about public transport and ought to get back into my box. As you were.
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18 Sep 17 4.39pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Getting back from Cardiff for me is a piece of piss, M4 all the way baby. Just over two hours.

Oh, I was on the train. To be honest, I've turned this into a rant about public transport and ought to get back into my box. As you were.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 18 Sep 17 4.52pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 So by your own evidence, its not an open door policy. Did you you read my post? I changed my wording. But of course the central point remains the same. Marching around with posters (printed by the Socialist Workers Party) saying "refugees welcome" is damaging to the country's security. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 18 Sep 17 4.52pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

So by your own evidence, its not an open door policy.

Did you you read my post? I changed my wording. But of course the central point remains the same. Marching around with posters (printed by the Socialist Workers Party) saying "refugees welcome" is damaging to the country's security.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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elgrande bedford 18 Sep 17 5.00pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Whilst other people immediately spring to use this as a justification as to why we should blanket ban refugees. These two, fk em, they're going to be enjoying the UK maximum security prison system for the next 30-40 years plus. Which as a taxpayer, am paying for. But IS said that they would send these sort of c*s amongst the refugees..and they have. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 18 Sep 17 5.00pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Whilst other people immediately spring to use this as a justification as to why we should blanket ban refugees.

These two, f**k em, they're going to be enjoying the UK maximum security prison system for the next 30-40 years plus.

Which as a taxpayer, am paying for.
But IS said that they would send these sort of c***s amongst the refugees..and they have.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Sep 17 5.10pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Well for starters, only 34% of applications are initially granted, of the remaining 66%, 36% were granted the right to appeal. Applicants are required to apply upon arrival in the UK. Out of the 558,000 people who came to the UK last year only 27,000 were seeking asylum. The UK detains more asylum applicants than any other western European country - currently around 25,000 or so are in detention centres (which costs around 80 quid a day per detainee). Hardly an open door. Not exactly slammed shut either. Security has to come first.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Well for starters, only 34% of applications are initially granted, of the remaining 66%, 36% were granted the right to appeal.

Applicants are required to apply upon arrival in the UK.

Out of the 558,000 people who came to the UK last year only 27,000 were seeking asylum.

The UK detains more asylum applicants than any other western European country - currently around 25,000 or so are in detention centres (which costs around 80 quid a day per detainee).

Hardly an open door.

Not exactly slammed shut either. Security has to come first.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Sep 17 5.16pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Did you you read my post? I changed my wording. But of course the central point remains the same. Marching around with posters (printed by the Socialist Workers Party) saying "refugees welcome" is damaging to the country's security. How are people with signs a threat to national security - aren't they just using freedom of speech and expression? I'm not sure how the SWP come into it. They're just a tiny group, like the EDL or Britain First, who see themselves as self appointed 'moral enforcers', who ultimately, tend to use the questions around asylum to extend their own political agenda - They're not interested in refugees or issues around asylum - they're only interested in it as a means of expanding their membership and political influence. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 18 Sep 17 5.16pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

How are people with signs a threat to national security - aren't they just using freedom of speech and expression?

I'm not sure how the SWP come into it. They're just a tiny group, like the EDL or Britain First, who see themselves as self appointed 'moral enforcers', who ultimately, tend to use the questions around asylum to extend their own political agenda - They're not interested in refugees or issues around asylum - they're only interested in it as a means of expanding their membership and political influence.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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