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majorkaios Trowbridge, Wilts 08 Sep 17 1.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
What absolute garbage. Frank played all pre season 3-4-3 and 3 matches with 3 at the back, completely ignoring the limitations of ward, which you seem stubborn with too. It's not just fitness. You tell me how good ward is with nobody to pass to on the outside? OK Rudi no probs The way I think Frank wants to play that style of football, is for a player in possession at the back or in the center to draw a player from the opposition into a one on one when there is no one to pass to thereby creating the space that will make the pass without having to actually dribble but if confident dribble and create the space.
As the ball advances up the field the idea is to narrow the opposition thus giving an opportunity for the wings to then stretch the defense, by fast short one touch play taking the ball up the field.
3 maybe 4 out of the defenders on our books before Sackho are just not up to the job anymore, which just creates problems. Sorry to say, love them, but it's time to start giving way to the youth.
They (the mids) need to get closer to each other and to give each other more support thereby creating the short fluid passing game and narrowing the opposition.
He is used to being the target man, and needs to run about a bit more to create the passing spaces. That AM or wings can find easily. It's no longer a straight dash goalwards game every time sometimes yes, of course, anything to get a goal.
And the most laughable of all, you tell me why you think ward is going to be able to play as a wing back when his best football has been in a 4 when safety before attack is the main message? And ward is nearing the latter years of his career. Young legs, Spring chicken he isn't. Old dog and new tricks for a usual back 4 RB is what he is. It is laughable indeed at your conclusion since [I believe] he was only there mainly because of injuries, lateness etc. The first game was an experiment true, but then the injuries set in. Didn't Frank say only 3-4-3? Well he bl33ding well did, did he not? No thats a total misquote, or bad TV edit, he never stated only 3-4-3. Its always 3-4-3, 4-3-3, and 3-5-1 as primary settings of Total football. In fact a recent interview I recall, maybe after the swans game He re-iterated that very misquote. Still time but it'll be to save his neck first. This pipe dream is months and possibly more Windows away.
I've been following Ajax as my only foreign team, If you don't count Hearts (for personal reasons) since the days when the Crystal Palace Kit was like the Ajax style sash, ours Red and blue. Waiting for that big Academy in the sky to come down to the Palace before any other South London Team does and realises the massive potential in the demography. Hopefully, before the big sky comes down on me and eventually takes me away. It's a business model that has worked for many, Southampton the most consistently, I don't want local kids to be slaves to breeder academies like Chelski with their 57 and counting loanees. I hope Parish has the courage to finish what he started and keeps Frank on for a few windows, at least we both agree it's gonna take that to get there. Have a good day
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bexleydave Barnehurst 08 Sep 17 1.50pm | |
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So far, on Twitter from the press conference: Loftus Cheek returns to squad for Sunday Hoping Tomkins and Cabaye available, decision after Saturday training FDB has positive feeling after seeing training this week - knows it takes time - have a long-term project here Wants to start seeing the performances he's expecting - once we get results it will give all the confidence we need Delighted to have Sakho - eager to come here - has already had influence on the grass and in the dressing room
Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum) |
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Sep 17 1.55pm | |
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Originally posted by bexleydave
So far, on Twitter from the press conference: Loftus Cheek returns to squad for Sunday Hoping Tomkins and Cabaye available, decision after Saturday training FDB has positive feeling after seeing training this week - knows it takes time - have a long-term project here Wants to start seeing the performances he's expecting - once we get results it will give all the confidence we need Edited by bexleydave (08 Sep 2017 1.50pm) So there - He is going to be around for a while yet !
Edited by Willo (08 Sep 2017 1.56pm)
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Sep 17 1.55pm | |
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It's pretty positive including Sakho joining and being here. The bit I'm concerned about is his comment in post 34 on page 2 on 3-4-3 and 5-3-2 saying 'We looked very carefully at it and in our point of view this is the best for the team. Wilf playing more up front than be normally does.' Hopefully it's a curve ball or at least once we have a fully fit full strength side. If he plays this way Sunday and it doesn't work, 'well it's a results game and Frank knows this.' Or he changes mid game, but we don't have the players in the squad to do that right now.
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Nobbybm Dartford 08 Sep 17 1.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet
you're right, it said two on the radio this morning but other places are reporting 5. Surprised Man Utd voted against given how early they did their business. Maybe it's more about selling than buying. I think they might be more concerned by the fact that we are (so far) the only league to agree the change therefore they could end up with Real knocking on the door with £100m for De Gea (after our deadline) with no chance of replacing him. Ok they wouldn't have to sell but it'd be hard to turn down & the player could react badly anyway. Giving the likes of Real, Barca, PSG etc a couple of extra weeks is not necessarily a good thing & I reckon both Jose & Pep know exactly what they'd do if it was the other way round.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Sep 17 2.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
It's pretty positive including Sakho joining and being here. The bit I'm concerned about is his comment in post 34 on page 2 on 3-4-3 and 5-3-2 saying 'We looked very carefully at it and in our point of view this is the best for the team. Wilf playing more up front than be normally does.' Hopefully it's a curve ball or at least once we have a fully fit full strength side. If he plays this way Sunday and it doesn't work, 'well it's a results game and Frank knows this.' Or he changes mid game, but we don't have the players in the squad to do that right now. Chelsea's 3 at the back has enabled Hazard to play more offensively rather than having to track back all the time and this has benefited the team so I can understand what FDB is saying.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Sep 17 2.02pm | |
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Wrong thread chaps. I did the same the other way round.
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Bangell Oxford 08 Sep 17 2.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
It's pretty positive including Sakho joining and being here. The bit I'm concerned about is his comment in post 34 on page 2 on 3-4-3 and 5-3-2 saying 'We looked very carefully at it and in our point of view this is the best for the team. Wilf playing more up front than be normally does.' Hopefully it's a curve ball or at least once we have a fully fit full strength side. If he plays this way Sunday and it doesn't work, 'well it's a results game and Frank knows this.' Or he changes mid game, but we don't have the players in the squad to do that right now. Would certainly be clever to have Burnley prepare to face a 5, but I hope and expect us to have been drilling a 4 for 2 weeks.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Sep 17 2.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
Chelsea's 3 at the back has enabled Hazard to play more offensively rather than having to track back all the time and this has benefited the team so I can understand what FDB is saying. So do I but.... Wilf has terrorised many a defender running at them with open space, rather than being timed by the marker to arrive st him once the ball arrives every single time. Anyway it's not the only concern or something to aim for at a cost to everything else, especially if it doesn't work or he isn't even playing.
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Tommyp151211 08 Sep 17 2.12pm | |
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From the CA. Begins by talking about his relationship with Parish...
"It always takes time. Everybody wants the points but you also have to know what it going on here. We think we are going it the right way, Steve knows that, the board knows that. "The problem is everyone thinks I only play one way. They say I play 3-4-3, but the players I have added to the squad are normally defenders, so you could say it's 5-3-2. "I am always aware there is speculation as a manager. I have played at clubs where pressure is always high when you don't get results. I always try not to get involved in emotional things, just concentrate on things you really can have an effect on; training with the players and trying to change things soon. "I always look at the glass half full, if I leave I want to leave through the front door not the back door. They can always say afterwards he did everything he could, always 100 per cent. I will do that."
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bexleydave Barnehurst 08 Sep 17 2.13pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
It's pretty positive including Sakho joining and being here. The bit I'm concerned about is his comment in post 34 on page 2 on 3-4-3 and 5-3-2 saying 'We looked very carefully at it and in our point of view this is the best for the team. Wilf playing more up front than be normally does.' Hopefully it's a curve ball or at least once we have a fully fit full strength side. If he plays this way Sunday and it doesn't work, 'well it's a results game and Frank knows this.' Or he changes mid game, but we don't have the players in the squad to do that right now. Reading the whole of that thread on the BBS, it looks like we're in for more of the same. It would appear that Frank's not for turning. I was concerned about Burnley, but now I'm very concerned. Actually his reported comments do raise questions about exactly what Parish and de Boer actually discussed.
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rikz Croydon 08 Sep 17 2.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
Chelsea's 3 at the back has enabled Hazard to play more offensively rather than having to track back all the time and this has benefited the team so I can understand what FDB is saying. We're not Chelsea and will never have the same calibre of players, his always been issolated and ineffective playing further forward, he's our most creative player, always makes things happen and his best position is out wide, getting him on the ball as often as possible.
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