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matt_himself Matataland 15 Aug 17 10.02am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Yet in all these years you haven't presented one tiny morsel of evidence to confirm your own delusional thoughts. Because you can't because there isn't any. How frustrating for you. Re-edited because I am bored of this. Edited by matt_himself (15 Aug 2017 1.29pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Aug 17 10.35am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Its just how it was. You couldn't just rely on the police to deal with the NF and far right, so the ANL et all was a natural progression of similar allied movements defending themselves. Obviously my experiences are decade on. The police of the seventies and eighties were dodgy as hell. Wracked with corruption and scandals. So you formed an equally violent and extreme group to combat them. What do you think?
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topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 15 Aug 17 12.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So you formed an equally violent and extreme group to combat them. What do you think? I'd have no problem with people fighting Choudhury and his supporters trying to interrupt an Armistice Day parade.
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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Aug 17 12.29pm | |
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Originally posted by topcat
I'd have no problem with people fighting Choudhury and his supporters trying to interrupt an Armistice Day parade. Except that it would be against the law and arguably make us as bad as them.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 15 Aug 17 1.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So you formed an equally violent and extreme group to combat them. What do you think? Except it wasn't equally violent - The NF at the time were engaged in violence directly against people. The ANL crimes were only related to conflicts at protests. The NF were actively assaulting people based on their ethnicity and engaged in arson, intimidation, harassment etc on a regular basis. Notably it was the NF that were involved in terrorist activities (in the 70s on two separate occasions - once in obtaining military training from members in the military, and secondly in obtaining weapons for the 'coming race war'. That's also not to mention the association with a number of violent hooligan firms - such as the Chelsea Headhunters. Now I wouldn't say the ANL were angels, and clearly turning up to stand with other British citizens against the NF demonstrations, could lead to violence but in no way where the two groups the same.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 15 Aug 17 1.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Except that it would be against the law and arguably make us as bad as them. Self defence includes the defence of others. In a lot of incidents, had the ANL not been around, then the NF would have had little to no opposition.
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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Aug 17 1.12pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Except it wasn't equally violent - The NF at the time were engaged in violence directly against people. The ANL crimes were only related to conflicts at protests. The NF were actively assaulting people based on their ethnicity and engaged in arson, intimidation, harassment etc on a regular basis. Notably it was the NF that were involved in terrorist activities (in the 70s on two separate occasions - once in obtaining military training from members in the military, and secondly in obtaining weapons for the 'coming race war'. That's also not to mention the association with a number of violent hooligan firms - such as the Chelsea Headhunters. Now I wouldn't say the ANL were angels, and clearly turning up to stand with other British citizens against the NF demonstrations, could lead to violence but in no way where the two groups the same. Maybe not from your biased perspective. What is interesting is that old Left wing dogs of war still recall with nostalgic tears in their eyes how they stood up to the NF and yet where are they when women and children are murdered and British flags burnt by Islamists in 2017? Very selective vitriol. It leads me to conclude that their outrage is much more political than about people's safety.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 15 Aug 17 1.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Maybe not from your biased perspective. What is interesting is that old Left wing dogs of war still recall with nostalgic tears in their eyes how they stood up to the NF and yet where are they when women and children are murdered and British flags burnt by Islamists in 2017? Very selective vitriol. It leads me to conclude that their outrage is much more political than about people's safety. You'll usually find the current incarnation where the EDL are. Are there demonstrations by Islamist groups that are illegal in the UK? Might be me and can the police not be trusted to deal with the issue. Last I checked you don't see many Pro-ISIS demonstrations marching through white areas kicking the s**t out people because they're white. Also, the police and intelligence services seem to be doing a rather good job of dealing with the problem. There isn't a fundermental break between what the state should be doing to protect its people, and what is happening. The ANL etc was a product of its time, that grew out of a problem with the NF, and the police's failure to protect protesters from the far right, or ethnic minority groups in society. But yeah, keep telling yourself, that they're as bad as x.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 15 Aug 17 2.00pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
You'll usually find the current incarnation where the EDL are. Are there demonstrations by Islamist groups that are illegal in the UK? Might be me and can the police not be trusted to deal with the issue. Last I checked you don't see many Pro-ISIS demonstrations marching through white areas kicking the s**t out people because they're white. Also, the police and intelligence services seem to be doing a rather good job of dealing with the problem. There isn't a fundermental break between what the state should be doing to protect its people, and what is happening. The ANL etc was a product of its time, that grew out of a problem with the NF, and the police's failure to protect protesters from the far right, or ethnic minority groups in society. But yeah, keep telling yourself, that they're as bad as x. No, they tend to go into concerts full of kids and blow them up. Why doesn't the left protest and march against them? Why doesn't the left protest about the racist fascist Mugabe in Zimbawe. Why don't the left march against the genocide of white farmers in South Africa? Why doesn't the left protest about the communists in North Korea? Why doesn't the left march against the repressive regime in Venezeula? Edited by hedgehog50 (15 Aug 2017 2.05pm)
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jamiemartin721 Reading 15 Aug 17 2.20pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
No, they tend to go into concerts full of kids and blow them up. Why doesn't the left protest and march against them? Why doesn't the left protest about the racist fascist Mugabe in Zimbawe. Why don't the left march against the genocide of white farmers in South Africa? Why doesn't the left protest about the communists in North Korea? Why doesn't the left march against the repressive regime in Venezeula? Edited by hedgehog50 (15 Aug 2017 2.05pm) No I was saying that my involvement with such groups came much later around 1990ish.
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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Aug 17 2.50pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
You'll usually find the current incarnation where the EDL are. Are there demonstrations by Islamist groups that are illegal in the UK? Might be me and can the police not be trusted to deal with the issue. Last I checked you don't see many Pro-ISIS demonstrations marching through white areas kicking the s**t out people because they're white. Also, the police and intelligence services seem to be doing a rather good job of dealing with the problem. There isn't a fundermental break between what the state should be doing to protect its people, and what is happening. The ANL etc was a product of its time, that grew out of a problem with the NF, and the police's failure to protect protesters from the far right, or ethnic minority groups in society. But yeah, keep telling yourself, that they're as bad as x. Only because they are a minority. You can spin it however you wish (and I know you do it so well) but the threat to a minority by a bunch of half wit skin heads with bricks and bovver boots does not compare to Islamic terrorists with bomb vests and mass murder on their minds, indiscriminately killing people in the name of an anti British and anti Western religious sect. Hardly a week goes by in Europe without a new attack. Funny that the left spend so much energy fighting the Far Right and a similar amount excusing and appeasing Islamist nutters and all kinds of other horrors brought here by mass immigration. As I said, they are very selective in their outrage. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (15 Aug 2017 2.51pm)
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Aug 17 3.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Only because they are a minority. You can spin it however you wish (and I know you do it so well) but the threat to a minority by a bunch of half wit skin heads with bricks and bovver boots does not compare to Islamic terrorists with bomb vests and mass murder on their minds, indiscriminately killing people in the name of an anti British and anti Western religious sect. Hardly a week goes by in Europe without a new attack. Funny that the left spend so much energy fighting the Far Right and a similar amount excusing and appeasing Islamist nutters and all kinds of other horrors brought here by mass immigration. As I said, they are very selective in their outrage. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (15 Aug 2017 2.51pm) Why are you bringing in isis to a topic about the left's success in combatting rising violent right wing fascism in the 70's.
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