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 Ray in Houston  Houston 26 Jul 17 6.42pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Why is accepting 'help' from Russia a crime? Is accepting 'help' from the house of Saud a crime? Surely it depends upon what that 'help' is. Like I say, I don't think this is going anyway in terms of proving anything actually happened...it's all interpretation. While I agree with you general view about Russia there is definitely an argument for Trump's approach to Russia as being more productive. I have mixed feelings about it whilst agreeing with yours and the democratic..and to be fair majority republican view on it. I don't understand how you don't understand this. There is a law on the books in the U.S. [Link] that states that political candidates / campaigns are forbidden from accepting money or "anything of value" from any foreign person or entity. That means Russia or Russians, Saudi or Saudis, or even you.
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wordup  26 Jul 17 6.43pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
So if you get 'dirt' from another country on your opponent then you are committing a crime by accepting that? Seems like nonsense to me. Favours in return...I see the sense of that.
Private individuals colluding with a foreign adversary to disrupt a democratic election = No biggy.
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| Ray in Houston Houston 26 Jul 17 6.44pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The military shouldn't be made to pay for things like that. So the legislators need to ensure that can't happen....But in terms of being in the forces it's not an issue for me. Can they not allow trans people to serve without paying for gender reassignment surgery? Do they have to throw the bay out with the bathwater?
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| Ray in Houston Houston 26 Jul 17 6.47pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'm not. If you are a heroin addict you should be discharged. The forces don't exist to hold your hand. Weak people in the forces should be weeded out. I don't care about your sexuality but people who can't control their stuff shouldn't be there.
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| wordup 26 Jul 17 6.48pm |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
I don't understand how you don't understand this. There is a law on the books in the U.S. [Link] that states that political candidates / campaigns are forbidden from accepting money or "anything of value" from any foreign person or entity. That means Russia or Russians, Saudi or Saudis, or even you. People understand but they choose to ignore or don't care on account that they broadly share Trump's outlook. If you took this exact situation, replaced Trump with Obama and the Russians with a Muslim Nation, it would suddenly be 'the end of the world'. When it's instead with a nation 'like ours' with a 'strong leader' it's a shrug of the shoulders. There is a reason that Putin scores higher than Obama in favourability polls of Republican voter views.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Jul 17 6.48pm |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
I don't understand how you don't understand this. There is a law on the books in the U.S. [Link] that states that political candidates / campaigns are forbidden from accepting money or "anything of value" from any foreign person or entity. That means Russia or Russians, Saudi or Saudis, or even you. Here's why it is a nonsense. Officials in Russia or anyone else can push something under the door of a journalist with known political preference....say a document with information or how to obtain it. They get in touch with the campaign team...and no one knows any different. Put it up online and it's the same. But email a member of the Trump team.....oh no...the sky has fallen down. Do you understand now? Information for favours however...that is something different. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jul 2017 6.53pm)
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| Stirlingsays 26 Jul 17 6.52pm |
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Originally posted by wordup
People understand but they choose to ignore or don't care on account that they broadly share Trump's outlook. If you took this exact situation, replaced Trump with Obama and the Russians with a Muslim Nation, it would suddenly be 'the end of the world'. When it's instead with a nation 'like ours' with a 'strong leader' it's a shrug of the shoulders. There is a reason that Putin scores higher than Obama in favourability polls of Republican voter views. I don't share Trump's views on many things. I do think Clinton has been influenced by middle eastern countries for cash donations.....Have you seen me moaning about it....'the end of the world' nonsense. You have prejudices that require adjustment if you have an interest in accuracy.
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| wordup 26 Jul 17 6.53pm |
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I wonder if those who have already had gender realignment treatment will now be kicked out? At that point surely any treatment wouldn't cost the military much and they may even be able to legally argue that they are now the sex they have reassigned to and are not trans anyway. Of course I don't think any of them should be kicked out, but I'm just thinking about how it might pan out.
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| wordup 26 Jul 17 6.55pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I don't share Trump's views on many things. I do think Clinton has been influenced by middle eastern countries for cash donations.....Have you seen me moaning about it....'the end of the world' nonsense. You have prejudices that require adjustment if you have an interest in accuracy. There is an active investigation underway. From what is already publicly available, I would suggest that it goes a bit beyond 'cash donations'.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Jul 17 6.58pm |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
I didn't say that, please re-read if you don't understand. I'd say what I like to anyone's face, if I want to, thank you very much. I'm nobody's coward. Anyone who expects their employer to pay for their personal issues is weak and wrong. An exception would be for events happening after employment that were related to their job.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Jul 17 6.59pm |
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Originally posted by wordup
There is an active investigation underway. From what is already publicly available, I would suggest that it goes a bit beyond 'cash donations'. We shall see I suppose.
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redshift  Toronto 26 Jul 17 7.06pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'm not what you would exactly call a Trump supporter, but six months in and the US stock market has added four trillion dollars of worth to the US. Yet does his pretty much totally negative media report report that? There's a lack of evenness. A lot of what Trump tweets about is...well to put it politely BS but on the unreliability and bias of the mainstream news media he is definitely not wrong. I don't think he can take a lot of credit for the increase. The business cycle is much longer than the 6 months for anything he does to have a large impact and he really hasn't enacted any legislation that would change anything economically. What he can take credit for is not degrading the business environment in that time. The next 6 months will be the test. If he can get tax reform through, things should look up, regardless of the circus. Edited by redshift (26 Jul 2017 7.07pm)
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