'Christianity' vs 'Islam'

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Stirlingsays 25 Jun 17 1.35pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Yep, its largely been atheism that's been driving that beast since the enlightenment. Although its worth noting that in the fields of nuclear science, chemical engineering, medicine, neurology, computer science and social science there are a lot of contributions in academia from Muslinm in or from Muslim countries. They represent 1.6 billion of the world's population. So this point is.....underwhelming. The contribution from the Jews on the other hand is massively significant....especially when their population numbers around 15 million. Of course anti semitism has been on the rise in this country...Especially since the Islamic population increases and the hegemony of 'progressive' politics increases. As the Islamic percentage goes up the Jewish one goes down....not very surprising. As a trade in 'useful' cultures it's a very poor trade. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jun 2017 1.36pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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25 Jun 17 1.35pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Yep, its largely been atheism that's been driving that beast since the enlightenment. Although its worth noting that in the fields of nuclear science, chemical engineering, medicine, neurology, computer science and social science there are a lot of contributions in academia from Muslinm in or from Muslim countries.

They represent 1.6 billion of the world's population. So this point is.....underwhelming.

The contribution from the Jews on the other hand is massively significant....especially when their population numbers around 15 million.

Of course anti semitism has been on the rise in this country...Especially since the Islamic population increases and the hegemony of 'progressive' politics increases. As the Islamic percentage goes up the Jewish one goes down....not very surprising.

As a trade in 'useful' cultures it's a very poor trade.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jun 2017 1.36pm)

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hedgehog50 Croydon 25 Jun 17 3.15pm
Do I want to be C of E , where belief in God seems to be optional, and being gay is almost compulsory in some parishes, or do I want to be a Muslim where I could be under sentence of death if I wanted to leave and would be in danger of being thrown off a building if I was gay? Tough choice. Edited by hedgehog50 (25 Jun 2017 3.48pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 25 Jun 17 3.15pm

Do I want to be C of E , where belief in God seems to be optional, and being gay is almost compulsory in some parishes, or do I want to be a Muslim where I could be under sentence of death if I wanted to leave and would be in danger of being thrown off a building if I was gay? Tough choice.

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 25 Jun 17 3.25pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The contribution from the Jews on the other hand is massively significant....especially when their population numbers around 15 million. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jun 2017 1.36pm) god for bid a world without the epilator. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 25 Jun 17 3.25pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The contribution from the Jews on the other hand is massively significant....especially when their population numbers around 15 million.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jun 2017 1.36pm)

god for bid a world without the epilator.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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jamiemartin721 Reading 26 Jun 17 4.22am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays They represent 1.6 billion of the world's population. So this point is.....underwhelming. The contribution from the Jews on the other hand is massively significant....especially when their population numbers around 15 million. Of course anti semitism has been on the rise in this country...Especially since the Islamic population increases and the hegemony of 'progressive' politics increases. As the Islamic percentage goes up the Jewish one goes down....not very surprising. As a trade in 'useful' cultures it's a very poor trade. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jun 2017 1.36pm) Notably of course the Jewish people you refer to would be primarily atheists like Freud, Chomsky and Einstein etc. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 26 Jun 17 4.22am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

They represent 1.6 billion of the world's population. So this point is.....underwhelming.

The contribution from the Jews on the other hand is massively significant....especially when their population numbers around 15 million.

As a trade in 'useful' cultures it's a very poor trade.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jun 2017 1.36pm)

Notably of course the Jewish people you refer to would be primarily atheists like Freud, Chomsky and Einstein etc.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 26 Jun 17 4.25am
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Do I want to be C of E , where belief in God seems to be optional, and being gay is almost compulsory in some parishes, or do I want to be a Muslim where I could be under sentence of death if I wanted to leave and would be in danger of being thrown off a building if I was gay? Tough choice. Edited by hedgehog50 (25 Jun 2017 3.48pm) Which describes only a few of the Islamic sects. You don't see that in the Ishmali and Sufi sects. Of course there's no truth at all in people?me being beaten to death in the US for being gay by 'Christians' "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 26 Jun 17 4.25am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Edited by hedgehog50 (25 Jun 2017 3.48pm)

Which describes only a few of the Islamic sects. You don't see that in the Ishmali and Sufi sects. Of course there's no truth at all in people?me being beaten to death in the US for being gay by 'Christians'

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Stirlingsays 26 Jun 17 4.45am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Notably of course the Jewish people you refer to would be primarily atheists like Freud, Chomsky and Einstein etc. Well, I'm referring to the Jewish population in the country that's been reducing. They are Jewish as a defining attribute. Why throw atheist in there?....That's only relevant if they don't refer to themselves as Jewish. As a general rule we need more Jews not less Jews. They are good for secularism and embrace and integrate into the culture and ethos of the country they settle in. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jun 2017 5.01am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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26 Jun 17 4.45am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Notably of course the Jewish people you refer to would be primarily atheists like Freud, Chomsky and Einstein etc.

Well, I'm referring to the Jewish population in the country that's been reducing. They are Jewish as a defining attribute. Why throw atheist in there?....That's only relevant if they don't refer to themselves as Jewish.

As a general rule we need more Jews not less Jews. They are good for secularism and embrace and integrate into the culture and ethos of the country they settle in.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jun 2017 5.01am)

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Stirlingsays 26 Jun 17 5.12am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Which describes only a few of the Islamic sects. You don't see that in the Ishmali and Sufi sects. Of course there's no truth at all in people?me being beaten to death in the US for being gay by 'Christians' The equivalences you are prepared to stand behind. An assault by Christians on people for being gay is against the law in America. Which Islamic countries do the Ishmali and Sufi sects control? How many openly gays in America compared to....I don't know...say Egypt? And there are far worse examples of Islamic countries I could choose. [Link] 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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26 Jun 17 5.12am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

The equivalences you are prepared to stand behind. An assault by Christians on people for being gay is against the law in America.

Which Islamic countries do the Ishmali and Sufi sects control?

How many openly gays in America compared to....I don't know...say Egypt? And there are far worse examples of Islamic countries I could choose.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 26 Jun 17 7.40am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Which describes only a few of the Islamic sects. You don't see that in the Ishmali and Sufi sects. Of course there's no truth at all in people?me being beaten to death in the US for being gay by 'Christians' The death penalty for being an apostate or gay applies to a number of Islamic countries - Christian churchmen should condemn it instead of banging on about 'faith leaders' coming together. If they truly believe in their Christian faith, they would preach that these other religions are false anyway. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 26 Jun 17 7.40am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

The death penalty for being an apostate or gay applies to a number of Islamic countries - Christian churchmen should condemn it instead of banging on about 'faith leaders' coming together. If they truly believe in their Christian faith, they would preach that these other religions are false anyway.

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leifandersonshair Newport 26 Jun 17 8.54am
Originally posted by hedgehog50 The death penalty for being an apostate or gay applies to a number of Islamic countries - Christian churchmen should condemn it instead of banging on about 'faith leaders' coming together. If they truly believe in their Christian faith, they would preach that these other religions are false anyway.[/quote] So the answer to Islamic religious intolerance is... Christian religious intolerance? I'm sure that will solve things...
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Originally posted by hedgehog50

The death penalty for being an apostate or gay applies to a number of Islamic countries - Christian churchmen should condemn it instead of banging on about 'faith leaders' coming together. If they truly believe in their Christian faith, they would preach that these other religions are false anyway.[/quote]

So the answer to Islamic religious intolerance is... Christian religious intolerance? I'm sure that will solve things...

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hedgehog50 Croydon 26 Jun 17 9.12am
Originally posted by leifandersonshair Originally posted by hedgehog50 The death penalty for being an apostate or gay applies to a number of Islamic countries - Christian churchmen should condemn it instead of banging on about 'faith leaders' coming together. If they truly believe in their Christian faith, they would preach that these other religions are false anyway.[/quote] So the answer to Islamic religious intolerance is... Christian religious intolerance? I'm sure that will solve things... I'm merely trying to point out the hypocrisy of religious leaders pretending that all faiths have value when each of their individual faiths proclaim themselves as the only 'true' religion. Bit like the various factions on the hard-left. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 26 Jun 17 9.12am

Originally posted by leifandersonshair

Originally posted by hedgehog50

The death penalty for being an apostate or gay applies to a number of Islamic countries - Christian churchmen should condemn it instead of banging on about 'faith leaders' coming together. If they truly believe in their Christian faith, they would preach that these other religions are false anyway.[/quote]

So the answer to Islamic religious intolerance is... Christian religious intolerance? I'm sure that will solve things...

I'm merely trying to point out the hypocrisy of religious leaders pretending that all faiths have value when each of their individual faiths proclaim themselves as the only 'true' religion. Bit like the various factions on the hard-left.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Portuguese Porto 26 Jun 17 9.58am
This topic made me remember Lawrence Krauss words about Christopher Hitchens death: "Christopher was a beacon of knowledge and light in a world that constantly threatens to extinguish both. He had the courage to accept the world for just what it is and not what he wanted it to be. That's the highest praise, I believe, one can give to any intellect. He understood that the universe doesn't care about our existence or welfare and he epitomized the realization that our lives have meaning only to the extent that we give them meaning." Even today "truth" means lots of times "power"!. Maybe trying rational thinking, methodical doubt, sensitivity, kindness and empathy without messianic truths perhaps the majority of barbarism it would tend to vanish... 1861 Football Club FPL
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Porto 26 Jun 17 9.58am

This topic made me remember Lawrence Krauss words about Christopher Hitchens death:
"Christopher was a beacon of knowledge and light in a world that constantly threatens to extinguish both. He had the courage to accept the world for just what it is and not what he wanted it to be. That's the highest praise, I believe, one can give to any intellect. He understood that the universe doesn't care about our existence or welfare and he epitomized the realization that our lives have meaning only to the extent that we give them meaning."
Even today "truth" means lots of times "power"!.
Maybe trying rational thinking, methodical doubt, sensitivity, kindness and empathy without messianic truths perhaps the majority of barbarism it would tend to vanish...

1861 Football Club
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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 26 Jun 17 12.45pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays As a general rule we need more Jews not less Jews. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jun 2017 5.01am) Why? Do many cultures need their babies burnt, schools hit by artillery shells / napalm etc.? As for integration [Link] imagine Muslims suggesting this non integration. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 26 Jun 17 12.45pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

As a general rule we need more Jews not less Jews.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jun 2017 5.01am)

Why? Do many cultures need their babies burnt, schools hit by artillery shells / napalm etc.?

As for integration

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imagine Muslims suggesting this non integration.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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