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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 22 Mar 17 4.11pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio the bloke who flew at high altitude and dropped the bomb on Hiroshima got a medal for valour. not really as brave as a Southern rail ticket inspector if you ask me. maybe risking your own life gets bravery medals. But there shouldnt be medals or accolades for killing people. No matter what army you are in. That is usually how it works, it is not the act of killing that is rewarded rather the danger they put themselves in. the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 22 Mar 17 4.11pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

the bloke who flew at high altitude and dropped the bomb on Hiroshima got a medal for valour.

not really as brave as a Southern rail ticket inspector if you ask me.

maybe risking your own life gets bravery medals. But there shouldnt be medals or accolades for killing people. No matter what army you are in.

That is usually how it works, it is not the act of killing that is rewarded rather the danger they put themselves in.

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 22 Mar 17 4.16pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Does that apply to the people they were fighting? We're the Luftwaffe pilots flying the bombers heroes, the Zulu's at Rouke's Drift, the young Argentine recruits fighting at Goose Green. Its the actions in which you transcend the situation around you. My hero is Lisa Potts, the young woman who protected small children in her care, from a lunatic with a machete, despite having no skills to speak of, or weapon of her own. We don't regard them as heroes, because they fought on the other side. Some people regard the IRA as heroes, they aren't, but you could make an argument that they were. After all they were fighting against a far superior foe, with better training, equipment and numbers and many died for that 'cause'. Really? Tim Parry, the gentleman from Thornton Heath murdered at Victoria Station, all the civilians killed in indiscriminate bombing? Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (22 Mar 2017 4.22pm) the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 22 Mar 17 4.16pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Does that apply to the people they were fighting? We're the Luftwaffe pilots flying the bombers heroes, the Zulu's at Rouke's Drift, the young Argentine recruits fighting at Goose Green. Its the actions in which you transcend the situation around you.

My hero is Lisa Potts, the young woman who protected small children in her care, from a lunatic with a machete, despite having no skills to speak of, or weapon of her own.

We don't regard them as heroes, because they fought on the other side. Some people regard the IRA as heroes, they aren't, but you could make an argument that they were. After all they were fighting against a far superior foe, with better training, equipment and numbers and many died for that 'cause'.

Really? Tim Parry, the gentleman from Thornton Heath murdered at Victoria Station, all the civilians killed in indiscriminate bombing?

Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (22 Mar 2017 4.22pm)

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 22 Mar 17 4.18pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Does that apply to the people they were fighting? We're the Luftwaffe pilots flying the bombers heroes, the Zulu's at Rouke's Drift, the young Argentine recruits fighting at Goose Green. Its the actions in which you transcend the situation around you. My hero is Lisa Potts, the young woman who protected small children in her care, from a lunatic with a machete, despite having no skills to speak of, or weapon of her own. We don't regard them as heroes, because they fought on the other side. Some people regard the IRA as heroes, they aren't, but you could make an argument that they were. After all they were fighting against a far superior foe, with better training, equipment and numbers and many died for that 'cause'. Heroes do not leave bombs in department stores and pubs with the specific intent of maiming and killing innocent people. People who are not involved with the "cause". That is the work of cowards. Abject cowards.
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In a broken dream 22 Mar 17 4.18pm

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

My hero is Lisa Potts, the young woman who protected small children in her care, from a lunatic with a machete, despite having no skills to speak of, or weapon of her own.

We don't regard them as heroes, because they fought on the other side. Some people regard the IRA as heroes, they aren't, but you could make an argument that they were. After all they were fighting against a far superior foe, with better training, equipment and numbers and many died for that 'cause'.

Heroes do not leave bombs in department stores and pubs with the specific intent of maiming and killing innocent people. People who are not involved with the "cause".

That is the work of cowards. Abject cowards.

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Michaelawt85 Bexley 22 Mar 17 4.38pm
Planted bombs in packed shopping centres and areas full of people not from Ireland who had probably never been to Ireland and quite frankly probably couldn't give a flying f*** about the 'troubles' but it's ok ..they were hero's because they saved many lives by phoning ahead of them being detonated with a warning to evacuate... Bravo! When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC
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Bexley 22 Mar 17 4.38pm

Planted bombs in packed shopping centres and areas full of people not from Ireland who had probably never been to Ireland and quite frankly probably couldn't give a flying f*** about the 'troubles' but it's ok ..they were hero's because they saved many lives by phoning ahead of them being detonated with a warning to evacuate...

Bravo!

When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC

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Michaelawt85 Bexley 22 Mar 17 4.40pm
Originally posted by palace_in_frogland Heroes do not leave bombs in department stores and pubs with the specific intent of maiming and killing innocent people. People who are not involved with the "cause". That is the work of cowards. Abject cowards. Bullies of the highest order actually. Give us what we want or we will maim and kill random people .. When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC
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Bexley 22 Mar 17 4.40pm

Originally posted by palace_in_frogland

Heroes do not leave bombs in department stores and pubs with the specific intent of maiming and killing innocent people. People who are not involved with the "cause".

That is the work of cowards. Abject cowards.

Bullies of the highest order actually. Give us what we want or we will maim and kill random people ..

When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC

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jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Mar 17 4.43pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch Really? Tim Parry, the gentleman from Thornton Heath murdered at Victoria Station, all the civilians killed in indiscriminate bombing? Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (22 Mar 2017 4.22pm) Didn't say I believed that, but that you could make them out to be heroes for that. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 22 Mar 17 4.43pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Really? Tim Parry, the gentleman from Thornton Heath murdered at Victoria Station, all the civilians killed in indiscriminate bombing?

Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (22 Mar 2017 4.22pm)

Didn't say I believed that, but that you could make them out to be heroes for that.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 22 Mar 17 4.51pm
Originally posted by Michaelawt85 Planted bombs in packed shopping centres and areas full of people not from Ireland who had probably never been to Ireland and quite frankly probably couldn't give a flying f* about the 'troubles' but it's ok ..they were hero's because they saved many lives by phoning ahead of them being detonated with a warning to evacuate... Bravo! Well that is the point isnt it. From the Republican viewpoint Britain was occupying their country and its population "couldnt give a flying f*" as you put it. Hence the intention to attack civilians to make the price of that occupation higher. The intention was to weaken Britains resolve to stay in London and the peace process took place because the IRA came to the view that it would never bomb the British out of Ireland - and the British Government realized it would never defeat the IRA.
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Sedlescombe 22 Mar 17 4.51pm

Originally posted by Michaelawt85

Bravo!

Well that is the point isnt it. From the Republican viewpoint Britain was occupying their country and its population "couldnt give a flying f***" as you put it.

Hence the intention to attack civilians to make the price of that occupation higher. The intention was to weaken Britains resolve to stay in London and the peace process took place because the IRA came to the view that it would never bomb the British out of Ireland - and the British Government realized it would never defeat the IRA.

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Michaelawt85 Bexley 22 Mar 17 4.59pm
Originally posted by Sedlescombe Well that is the point isnt it. From the Republican viewpoint Britain was occupying their country and its population "couldnt give a flying f*" as you put it. Hence the intention to attack civilians to make the price of that occupation higher. The intention was to weaken Britains resolve to stay in London and the peace process took place because the IRA came to the view that it would never bomb the British out of Ireland - and the British Government realized it would never defeat the IRA. I understand the fundamental reasons. They come over here and hurt us and create that fear . When I say couldn't give a flying f* I mean it's not something which affects them, many of them had probably never been.to.Ireland, didn't know anyone living there not meant as in they didn't care what happened to them in that sense. When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC
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Bexley 22 Mar 17 4.59pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

Well that is the point isnt it. From the Republican viewpoint Britain was occupying their country and its population "couldnt give a flying f***" as you put it.

I understand the fundamental reasons. They come over here and hurt us and create that fear . When I say couldn't give a flying f*** I mean it's not something which affects them, many of them had probably never been.to.Ireland, didn't know anyone living there not meant as in they didn't care what happened to them in that sense.

When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC

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jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Mar 17 5.02pm
Originally posted by dannyh The rest of the world would disagree, so who would you consider a hero ? What makes you a hero in my eyes, a man to be looked up to and respected, is that you've seen the worst that humanity has to offer, walked through it all, carried yourself with decorum and modesty, and still remained great father and inspiration to your kids. That's what makes a man a hero. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 22 Mar 17 5.02pm

Originally posted by dannyh

The rest of the world would disagree, so who would you consider a hero ?

What makes you a hero in my eyes, a man to be looked up to and respected, is that you've seen the worst that humanity has to offer, walked through it all, carried yourself with decorum and modesty, and still remained great father and inspiration to your kids.

That's what makes a man a hero.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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hedgehog50 Croydon 22 Mar 17 5.02pm
Originally posted by Sedlescombe Well that is the point isnt it. From the Republican viewpoint Britain was occupying their country and its population "couldnt give a flying f***" as you put it. Hence the intention to attack civilians to make the price of that occupation higher. The intention was to weaken Britains resolve to stay in London and the peace process took place because the IRA came to the view that it would never bomb the British out of Ireland - and the British Government realized it would never defeat the IRA. Usual left wing 'analysis'. British troops were sent there to protect the Catholics from Protestant attacks. The IRA then attacked the troops. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 22 Mar 17 5.02pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

Well that is the point isnt it. From the Republican viewpoint Britain was occupying their country and its population "couldnt give a flying f***" as you put it.

Usual left wing 'analysis'. British troops were sent there to protect the Catholics from Protestant attacks. The IRA then attacked the troops.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 22 Mar 17 5.07pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Usual left wing 'analysis'. British troops were sent there to protect the Catholics from Protestant attacks. The IRA then attacked the troops. Its not "left Wing Analysis" I said it was the Republican point of view. Because it was the Republican point of view. I didnt say it was right or that I agreed with it but it was the IRA's policy throughout the Troubles. You really can be a t*** sometimes Hedgehog
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Sedlescombe 22 Mar 17 5.07pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Usual left wing 'analysis'. British troops were sent there to protect the Catholics from Protestant attacks. The IRA then attacked the troops.

Its not "left Wing Analysis" I said it was the Republican point of view. Because it was the Republican point of view. I didnt say it was right or that I agreed with it but it was the IRA's policy throughout the Troubles.

You really can be a t*** sometimes Hedgehog

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Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 22 Mar 17 5.11pm
Originally posted by Michaelawt85 I understand the fundamental reasons. They come over here and hurt us and create that fear . When I say couldn't give a flying f*** I mean it's not something which affects them, many of them had probably never been.to.Ireland, didn't know anyone living there not meant as in they didn't care what happened to them in that sense. I think you made an entirely fair point and I didnt meant to sound like I was interpreting it as people being uncaring. The point I was trying to make was that the IRA wanted to make the conflict something happening close to home rather than it happening "overseas"
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Sedlescombe 22 Mar 17 5.11pm

Originally posted by Michaelawt85

I think you made an entirely fair point and I didnt meant to sound like I was interpreting it as people being uncaring. The point I was trying to make was that the IRA wanted to make the conflict something happening close to home rather than it happening "overseas"

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