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Worst Penalty Decision Of The Season !!!
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Inapickle  South West 11 Dec 16 1.29pm |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
And even if he were in the right place that still doesn't mean he saw it. But if he didn't see it why did he give it? ..obviously because he thought he did and very clearly so, it just highlights that they cannot cope and shouldn't be expected to anymore.
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 pizzapat Caterham 11 Dec 16 1.36pm |
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Originally posted by peterg
Willo's problem is that he won't ever admit that the ref made an out-and-out mistake. I am a qualified cricket umpire and I know I have made decisions that were just wrong and could not even be justified - and which gave me sleepless nights! Cricket umpires have bad games, so do refs, and yesterday's ref had a shocker - three out of four pen calls wrong. Willo defends him on the first Benteke decision on the grounds he might have thought the defender got a foot to the ball first. Well, the defender clearly didn't, and the ref got that totally wrong. On the Snodgrass call, he clearly didn't see what had happened, otherwise he wouldn't have called a pen. Since he didn't see what happened, it means he guessed, which is utterly wrong. If you didn't see it you can't call it. In his zealous defence of all refs everywhere, Willo never deals with the psychology of officiating, or analyses why mistakes are made. He poses as a refereeing expert but never deals with these vital factors. I went on umpiring courses where umpires of the stature of Billy Bowden admitted he made mistakes - but went on to say that the vital thing is understand why you made the mistake and learn from that. Willo is not interested in that kind of analysis or what can be learned from yesterday's abysmal refereeing performance. All he does is defend refs right or wrong.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 16 1.38pm |
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Originally posted by peterg
Willo's problem is that he won't ever admit that the ref made an out-and-out mistake. I am a qualified cricket umpire and I know I have made decisions that were just wrong and could not even be justified - and which gave me sleepless nights! Cricket umpires have bad games, so do refs, and yesterday's ref had a shocker - three out of four pen calls wrong. Willo defends him on the first Benteke decision on the grounds he might have thought the defender got a foot to the ball first. Well, the defender clearly didn't, and the ref got that totally wrong. On the Snodgrass call, he clearly didn't see what had happened, otherwise he wouldn't have called a pen. Since he didn't see what happened, it means he guessed, which is utterly wrong. If you didn't see it you can't call it. In his zealous defence of all refs everywhere, Willo never deals with the psychology of officiating, or analyses why mistakes are made. He poses as a refereeing expert but never deals with these vital factors. I went on umpiring courses where umpires of the stature of Billy Bowden admitted he made mistakes - but went on to say that the vital thing is understand why you made the mistake and learn from that. Willo is not interested in that kind of analysis or what can be learned from yesterday's abysmal refereeing performance. All he does is defend refs right or wrong. PeterG With respect, I have already stated on this thread that it is generally accepted that the referee erred over the Snodgrass penalty decision. As for being an "Expert" I have never professed to being one on HOL, but I have qualified as a referee albeit many years ago and I have spoken to many about refereeing and various incidents and scenarios.As such I believe I DO have a certain insight given my conversations with top referees coupled with my experiences of the game. Do referees make mistakes ? Of course they do. There you are 'PizzaPat' - I have passed comment on the post ! Edited by Willo (11 Dec 2016 1.42pm)
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| Inapickle South West 11 Dec 16 1.48pm |
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Originally posted by peterg
Willo's problem is that he won't ever admit that the ref made an out-and-out mistake. I am a qualified cricket umpire and I know I have made decisions that were just wrong and could not even be justified - and which gave me sleepless nights! Cricket umpires have bad games, so do refs, and yesterday's ref had a shocker - three out of four pen calls wrong. Willo defends him on the first Benteke decision on the grounds he might have thought the defender got a foot to the ball first. Well, the defender clearly didn't, and the ref got that totally wrong. On the Snodgrass call, he clearly didn't see what had happened, otherwise he wouldn't have called a pen. Since he didn't see what happened, it means he guessed, which is utterly wrong. If you didn't see it you can't call it. In his zealous defence of all refs everywhere, Willo never deals with the psychology of officiating, or analyses why mistakes are made. He poses as a refereeing expert but never deals with these vital factors. I went on umpiring courses where umpires of the stature of Billy Bowden admitted he made mistakes - but went on to say that the vital thing is understand why you made the mistake and learn from that. Willo is not interested in that kind of analysis or what can be learned from yesterday's abysmal refereeing performance. All he does is defend refs right or wrong. ..Willo is just coming from the same angle as the refs are and his hands are just as tied for our amusement ..and it should be amusement, no need for anyone to get nasty.
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| Inapickle South West 11 Dec 16 1.55pm |
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Originally posted by peterg
Willo's problem is that he won't ever admit that the ref made an out-and-out mistake. I am a qualified cricket umpire and I know I have made decisions that were just wrong and could not even be justified - and which gave me sleepless nights! Cricket umpires have bad games, so do refs, and yesterday's ref had a shocker - three out of four pen calls wrong. Willo defends him on the first Benteke decision on the grounds he might have thought the defender got a foot to the ball first. Well, the defender clearly didn't, and the ref got that totally wrong. On the Snodgrass call, he clearly didn't see what had happened, otherwise he wouldn't have called a pen. Since he didn't see what happened, it means he guessed, which is utterly wrong. If you didn't see it you can't call it. In his zealous defence of all refs everywhere, Willo never deals with the psychology of officiating, or analyses why mistakes are made. He poses as a refereeing expert but never deals with these vital factors. I went on umpiring courses where umpires of the stature of Billy Bowden admitted he made mistakes - but went on to say that the vital thing is understand why you made the mistake and learn from that. Willo is not interested in that kind of analysis or what can be learned from yesterday's abysmal refereeing performance. All he does is defend refs right or wrong. ..there lies the problem doesn't it, nothing more nothing less and it has nothing to do with Willo whether the ref gets it right or wrong, Willo is just saying that the refs always believe they are getting every decision right every time, they are up for scrutiny after every performance from their own professions so none of them want to go and make bad mistakes that will reduce their popularity, nobody alive wants that.
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| Inapickle South West 11 Dec 16 2.00pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
One cannot say for certain this is the case as one doesn't have the exact view the referee has of the incident. ..I think they should wear cameras on their head, perhaps then they will get help.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 16 2.01pm |
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Originally posted by Inapickle
..Willo is just coming from the same angle as the refs are and his hands are just as tied for our amusement ..and it should be amusement, no need for anyone to get nasty. No I'm not toeing any "Party line". All I do is to try and see it from a referee's standpoint and try to understand why on occasions they make decisions not universally approved. People have accused me of never admitting that referees make mistakes but this is simply not the case as you will see in this debate.
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| rollercoaster Cornwall 11 Dec 16 2.11pm |
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Agree the game is too fast now for consistent refereeing. Need video ref for all penalty calls. Wont slow the game down, it takes a minute or so for the penalty to be set up, plenty of time to review the video. Perhaps one team review when pen not given like in test cricket.
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| Inapickle South West 11 Dec 16 2.32pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
No I'm not toeing any "Party line". All I do is to try and see it from a referee's standpoint and try to understand why on occasions they make decisions not universally approved. People have accused me of never admitting that referees make mistakes but this is simply not the case as you will see in this debate. ..I do understand where you are coming from, my term for hands tied wasn't for you ..but for the refs. Edited by Inapickle (11 Dec 2016 2.33pm)
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| Inapickle South West 11 Dec 16 2.53pm |
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Originally posted by rollercoaster
Agree the game is too fast now for consistent refereeing. Need video ref for all penalty calls. Wont slow the game down, it takes a minute or so for the penalty to be set up, plenty of time to review the video. Perhaps one team review when pen not given like in test cricket. ..it will more or less be instant, well within 15 seconds, many believe it will lead to nothing to talk about after a game but I'd rather talk about how the right decisions made a entertaining game instead of a nasty torrid affair, the moan.city and chelsea game would have been solved instantly after the first incident and the game wouldn't have become a farce in regards to players behaviour and play acting.
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 11 Dec 16 3.02pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
To be honest, I'm not really interested debating with you when you refer to me as "Trollo". Still avoiding the question I see!
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 16 3.04pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
Still avoiding the question I see! I have no idea as to what question you are referring to.
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