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Inapickle Flag South West 31 Oct 16 10.44pm

Originally posted by Den1923

your living in a dream world, just look at our results against the teams around us and since the start of 2016. That is not mid table form its downwards rather than upwards, its a bit like moving your deckchair around the Titanic to keep your feet dry!

..you have to be in one because we are quite safe at the moment and you're just imagining the worst, we are as good as we were in the last game and seeing as we played the hottest team in this league and basically allowed them the pleasure of scoring all their goals we did quite well for me to happily dangle my feet into the icy cold water knowing this team will easily accumulate enough points to survive...easily.

 

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Inapickle Flag South West 31 Oct 16 10.55pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

This. Long term thinking over short term thinking. We're not doing that badly this season, West Brom and West Ham aside, I'd say our results are more or less expected performance level.

Reality check, if you want top 8, stick with a manager, and let them build the squad. We arguably over performed with Pulis and Pardew with some exciting finishes - but top 10 is a goal, not an expectation. Realistically, we're a minnow in this league, and always will be.

In terms of actual, reasonable analysis, we're doing remarkably well. West Ham was a poor show. But lets be honest, Leicester away, they've not been beaten in 20 games, and Liverpool on Saturday were in a different league.

The thing about bogey teams, its 80% coincidence, 10% psychology, 10 % reality

..exactly and well put, but that Hammers goal was poor man marking but extremely well worked and taken and we did have some decent play in that game and should have got a draw from it in the end also against Leicester we had good periods of control with good movement and some really good opportunities to score, if we weren't doing this and looking as beaten as Sunderland then I'd be worried about survival, but anyone can easily see this team is very very close to getting it right and having a real fight for top middle table.

 

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Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 31 Oct 16 11.03pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Don't think there's many who really think we should be finishing top eight although I must admit I fell into the trap of thinking that we might have a chance around last Christmas.

However, neither should we be happy with a season of struggle but at the moment I don't see anything else. Granted there are injuries but the team looks lacking in energy and ideas and is now shipping goals on set pieces which had previously been a relatively strong area.

We also now only have one player who looks capable of going round his man and Bolasie was always going to be a far bigger loss to the team than on paper IMO despite the money we got.

 

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Canterbury Palace Flag Whitstable 31 Oct 16 11.16pm Send a Private Message to Canterbury Palace Add Canterbury Palace as a friend

Below are two Tweets from a football analyst and, according to his bio, a fellow Palace fan. The first is the "Klopp Premier League Table", the table since he took charge of Liverpool.

The second is regarding the amount of goals we've conceded from set pieces this season.

 


We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold...

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Inapickle Flag South West 31 Oct 16 11.18pm

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

Don't think there's many who really think we should be finishing top eight although I must admit I fell into the trap of thinking that we might have a chance around last Christmas.

However, neither should we be happy with a season of struggle but at the moment I don't see anything else. Granted there are injuries but the team looks lacking in energy and ideas and is now shipping goals on set pieces which had previously been a relatively strong area.

We also now only have one player who looks capable of going round his man and Bolasie was always going to be a far bigger loss to the team than on paper IMO despite the money we got.

..I saw quite a lot of moves against liverpool that had them panicking when at 2-3 and us pressing, especially the last ditching tackle bits, you need to not panic about this team, liverpool will win this league this season because klopp with dosh will sort their defence and to me they are just too freaking scary to comprehend not doing it, please inform me of all the games where we have been knocked out flat and utterly outplayed?

 

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Den1923 Flag 01 Nov 16 8.46am Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

We are 4 points, off the drop zone, how can that be safe with a run of fixtures in the next few weeks that include Man city, Southampton, Man U and Chelsea. In between we have must win games at Burnley, Swansea & Hull. Safe?, I think not if we keep leaking goals and I repeat based on our performance in 2016 we would be in a pretty dire position if this were the actual season!

 

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cpj Flag Kent 01 Nov 16 8.56am Send a Private Message to cpj Add cpj as a friend

Originally posted by Den1923

We are 4 points, off the drop zone, how can that be safe with a run of fixtures in the next few weeks that include Man city, Southampton, Man U and Chelsea. In between we have must win games at Burnley, Swansea & Hull. Safe?, I think not if we keep leaking goals and I repeat based on our performance in 2016 we would be in a pretty dire position if this were the actual season!

... and 1 point off 17th.

 

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spartakev2 Flag Anerley 01 Nov 16 9.05am Send a Private Message to spartakev2 Add spartakev2 as a friend

And 4 points off 7th...

 

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DANGERCLOSE Flag London 01 Nov 16 9.15am Send a Private Message to DANGERCLOSE Add DANGERCLOSE as a friend

If we don't get a result on Saturday then i think Pards has to go imo

 

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Den1923 Flag 01 Nov 16 9.16am Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Current form over full season 38 games would POSITION us as follows:-

20- Sunderland 36PTS
19- CP 36PTS
18- Swansea 41PTS
17-WBA 42PTS

This is reality at present lets hope its is not the final outcome 17 would be stressful but fine, lets not get carried away thinking we are better that we actually are!

 

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Dangermouse Flag Hastings 01 Nov 16 6.37pm Send a Private Message to Dangermouse Add Dangermouse as a friend

Not a Pardew out member or a Pardew must stay member, more a, I'll support the manager until he's sacked or he really loses the plot member and I'll always defend anyone against unfair criticism.............. BUT!
Since 2010 took over we've had far more than our usual amount of good ball playing players, Joniesta, Moritz, Chamakh, Bolasie, Wilf,Townsend, Bannan, Cabaye, Chungy, Guediora to name a fair few of them and in all that time the movement off the ball under Dougie, Ollie, Pulis, Warnock and Pardew has been totally abysmal. No wonder Cabaye is struggling with the movement we have in front of him.
So my point is that I haven't fallen out of love with Pardew right now, but the English/British manager. I've always wanted a British manager to get a chance at the big jobs, but I'm now beginning to see why they don't. They basically are by the numbers managers, backs to the wall, grind it out experts with no real flair it would seem.
Would our flair players be more productive if they had a manager who taught them, insisted on, the art of movement, finding space, giving options? We don't have Liverpool's quality, but it doesn't mean we can't play a similar style, surely.
Just saying Frank De Boer's been sacked.

 


That's Life
And as funny as it may seem
Some people get their kicks stompin' on a Dream.
KEEP THE FAITH!!!!!

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Podyonkers Flag Atlanta, Georgia 01 Nov 16 9.27pm Send a Private Message to Podyonkers Add Podyonkers as a friend

Originally posted by Dangermouse

Not a Pardew out member or a Pardew must stay member, more a, I'll support the manager until he's sacked or he really loses the plot member and I'll always defend anyone against unfair criticism.............. BUT!
Since 2010 took over we've had far more than our usual amount of good ball playing players, Joniesta, Moritz, Chamakh, Bolasie, Wilf,Townsend, Bannan, Cabaye, Chungy, Guediora to name a fair few of them and in all that time the movement off the ball under Dougie, Ollie, Pulis, Warnock and Pardew has been totally abysmal. No wonder Cabaye is struggling with the movement we have in front of him.
So my point is that I haven't fallen out of love with Pardew right now, but the English/British manager. I've always wanted a British manager to get a chance at the big jobs, but I'm now beginning to see why they don't. They basically are by the numbers managers, backs to the wall, grind it out experts with no real flair it would seem.
Would our flair players be more productive if they had a manager who taught them, insisted on, the art of movement, finding space, giving options? We don't have Liverpool's quality, but it doesn't mean we can't play a similar style, surely.
Just saying Frank De Boer's been sacked.

Bang on, in my opinion. The EPL is so direct, so frenetic. If you think about it, AP played in an earlier version of this league, which, if anything, was even more direct. He learned how to play with hard tackling and an awful lot of shoving and grinding. Not saying he was not an adept player - he was - but I'm not sure he learnt to value space as much as brute force. Moving into space is a given at any level but I doubt many British players have had to move off the ball at the level someone like Guardiola is used to.

 


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