Whilst it's true than Anfield has residential streets on three sides, it's also opposite Stanley Park which has a massive car park. There is no such facility at SP.

Er, perhaps you are wrong, it must have happened before. Here is a map of the boundary that CPFC 2010 own, [Link] . Everything within the red line.

There was an issue with the houses behind the family section of the main stand. The last bit Noades sold off. There was an idea to build a stand that lowers as you get to the corner flags like several others. That might have just been low enough for the houses and probably kept out of the Sainsbury's car park, depends how far in you want to ascend the stand.

But that wouldn't be the ultimate build and it wouldn't fit in with future rebuild of WH and Holmesdale. What it does indicate is that there were solutions. But when SP does business it can appear slow to some, calculated to others.

If permission or agreements can be reached whether or not the US came in, why didn't SP progress it for the 5 years you mention since CPP or NSC were known to be a no go? Here are a few reasons for you.

1. £5mil losses. No cash in bank.

2. We were banking £20 mil in Prem season 1. £10 mil approx in Prem season 2. What was that for? Rebuilding and not borrowing. Again, money or agreed finance we didn't have when the CPP 'concept' images were released.

3. He was hesitant like he's hesitant with many things CPFC. It takes SP longer than most to sign a player. Bl33ding ages. It takes just as long to sign a manager perfect for the time (Pulis).

4. Again, and I know this frustrates you. Possible relegation. When you're trying to build the club on the pitch and off it, it's a chicken and egg situation you'd ideally like to happen in unison. Both pay for each other. To fail at one will affect the other.

The US investment has been huge in this progressing beyond a potential development. It is obvious. Further, the Sainsbury's car park problem is not necessarily that much of an obstacle if we did agree to take that square area at the main stand/WH corner as they, or we for them can build a 2 storey car park that slopes off well before the back windows of houses on Clifton Rd.

This is an assumption but we don't know how profitable that Sainsbury's is. There's a bigger Tesco down the road and supermarkets gradually winding down to break even or losses are a drain on large public ltd's. A dramatic overhaul can sometimes be the best thing for a struggling retail store behind the times.

The WH is obviously another consideration. Do you build above or build above and back? To do the latter Sainsbury's would probably have to extend South or extend into the basement. I think this has been done elsewhere.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (21 Apr 2016 3.30pm)

Yeah course you did. That's why you posted this, 'You do realise that sainsburys own the land and car park.', after I said we own our car park and Sainsbury's own their's.

Maybe you need a dictionary.

There has certainly been hesitancy or a methodical or a strategic management decision to delay things because we never had the f***ing money in 2010 onwards and a 'concept design' at CPP was just that, nothing more, something you refuse to admit.

I've had enough of it now.

Yeah because I really think sainsburys own our stadium, that was the whole point of the protest gainst lloyds so we could buy the stadium, and what saved our club you idiot, you've shown you know absolutely nothing on the subject. You are know all but f*** all and are really boring me now. Next time how about doing some actual research on a subject you know so little about. It's not hard there are plenty of sources. straight from the owners mouth how we need to work with sainsburys to redevelop. Tara

What a trying little man. If you're going to be specific, then be specific rather than general so I or anyone else doesn't have to go back to your previous drivel to fill in the gaps or know what you're dribbling about. As if I think Sainsbury's own our land/stadium. You said 'THE car park.'

I've been supporting this club a lot longer than you. I know where our car park ends. I know what Noades leased to us, I know the history of admins and bank protests. I also know you're quite a moron.

Your black and white views are very simple for someone who thinks they're smart. You're a gullible idiot. You don't appreciate finances were pausing this from progressing at all and you think football fans aren't as intelligent as you. You also take what people say as gospel when it's plainly obvious the money was being saved before anything was going to happen, but you refuse to believe it. Anyway, it's laughable. Laters.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (21 Apr 2016 7.46pm)

Blimey, eloquent and not a hint of delusional superiority or in anyway pugnacious.

MP's have a duty to their constituents but during the Lloyds protests they stepped in to support CPFC. We're now establishing ourselves as a Premier League club permanently. That's a change from a shabby 2nd tier club that cannot fill it's seats anyway. The residents that are a current issue are the houses behind the main stand and to the side of the Holmesdale, not as far back as Clifton Rd. There are a few, but if SP has his initial architects drawings ready, and it sounds as if these don't need to be changed, but surrounding bits like access might need to be, you could be fretting about nothing. What's more, construction means jobs means economic growth. That'll apply to CPFC and Sainsbury's for that matter. Plus extra jobs after.

Sainsbury's are notoriously tight and apathetic when it comes to modernising. In the '90s they stayed asleep when Tesco went aggressively expanding or buying up land on the cheap for the next round of expansion, some of it with dubious methods with local councils. Look at Purley. Tesco took market share under their noses. Sainsbury's had 1 then a different Sainsbury's for decades. Look at Purley Way. Morrisons there now as well. The Selhurst Sainsbury's is a dump and never as full as the Tesco. Tesco are now on the decline. Still largest but in decline. What's more, Parish and co are more than able to communicate fairly and produce mutually beneficial proposals. I wouldn't be surprised if that's how it goes. A better store and ironically more parking. The Sainsbury's is 30 years old for a start. There are some very imaginative solutions to this kind of thing.

Whole rebuild not impossible. Bl00dy expensive, yes. Impossible, no. If it was impossible SP would not be presenting drawings to those he trusts and obtaining US investment. What would be the point? He'd be better off selling up or moving somewhere everyone wouldn't want.

The Holmesdale. Sinking it might be, but waiting to be the final stand rebuilt it will be able to survive for. It is perfectly acceptable for a while and impressive things can be done with foundation problems.

Arfur. With other stands having exec boxes there will be little need for that there. It can be the same height as the current one and with more concourse areas but with probably less seating. Possibly one large concourse in the middle and similar entry there is now. The other stands will make up for the few seats lost there. Were looking at between 30-40k anyway, not 50k.