Sometimes you really need to read posts more carefully. The "opinion" comment was that kids should learn about it at that age, not that trans and gay people exist ffs!

And you're doing it again. No one's being deceived and no one should decide that they "should be" taught that at that age, not you and not the head. There's no need whatsoever, no matter what idealogical waffle of an answer you want to reply with.

Secondary school is the place for it, not primary.

Edited by Stuk (17 Mar 2016 4.57pm)

Optimistic as ever

Why does everyone have to be in these set groups just let people get on with life if a women is trapped in a mans body then they can alter or do what they want to become what they like.

Humans are always looking to seperate people and then they judge them this is why we have all these problems rather then intergrate everyone and just accept we like to put them in groups.

When I was a child I grew up with different ethnic and raced people but never even thought of them different to me they was what ever there name was that was it i would go to there parties hang out with them but now people are seperated and judged.

One of these friends used to wear girls clothing and play with girly toys but was always told off for it none of friends cared 30 years later I bumped into her they had full sex change good for them if that made them happy which they appeared to be and by the way I didn't even notice she looked like any other women.

Edited by grumpymort (17 Mar 2016 11.37pm)

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Being not your typical lefty teacher at secondary school I often get a little pissed off with the assumptions that other teachers make about what students to be encouraged to believe in.

They don't want independent thinkers what they want are conventional liberalised thinkers. I feel the emphasis is well intended but wrong.

Teachers teach equality but few actually practice in within their self interested lives. Also the teaching of equality as being 'right' is dubious because equality doesn't exist anywhere in the natural or most of the commercial world or relationships.

They teach sexual equality and gender equality, which as a parent I'd also be a bit pissed off about. These are highly sociopolitical concepts.

I don't like social engineering within the secondary school system or at least feel it should be light touch....It's really a job for parents not teachers.

But feck it....it isn't going to change and if you can't beat them, join them, so recently I'm been considering doing my own social engineering with my classes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2016 2.01pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Equality is achievable as a concept if you have control over the system you apply it to. For example, equal pay for tennis players independent of gender despite the gender realities and expectations being different for both genders. So, in effect, equality being applied to an unequal system - men play five sets and women three - men attract more gate money yet their pay doesn't reflect it. Sometimes equality is ideological and unfair.

I don't defend equality as a 'correct' concept without defining factors. I regard it as a concept that has a limited but important usage within the areas it can be applied sensibly......unfortunately that approach isn't in current fashion within teaching....despite being the real world approach adopted within the majority of the commercial world and say human interactions.

Also I say again equality doesn't exist within the natural world and while I'm not averse to modifying nature to suit our own purposes...eg medicines and many other examples I do feel that it has to defend and prove its application without blindly being applied without consideration of rational opposition.

Men's children access rights, the law's attitude to rape and divorce, Women in military front lines, homosexual marriage within churches, the MOBOs identifying race as an originator of a music style....organizations that include a race within the title......All of these are examples where equality may or may not have a place within application.

Obviously equality has its place in the adoption of 'real world' human rights....But sometimes I feel this has been abused...like the word, 'assault' legally meaning practically anything.

Essentially, while I do value equality in many areas....to list them would lengthen this post significantly but to encapsulate I essentially believe that equality doesn't have a divine right to be adopted for everything and that it's a concept like any other that has to prove itself in every case it's applied.

School should push.....think independently....regard each situation on its factors....Defend your position rationally.

Instead when it comes to equality it's all......'Equality is good', smiley face.....It gets on my nerves.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2016 3.44pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I don't think it's important that women's football is as popular as men's. I think women's football has a right to promote itself and that the public has a right to respond to the promotion. The balance of pay should reflect the interest gathered.

It shouldn't be about the gender or changing social attitudes within society.

The highest paid fighters in MMA (mixed martial arts) are women and that's fine and dandy. What they sell attracts the punters and the pay reflects that. I don't see male MMA stars moaning about it and nor should they.

The pay you earn should reflect the value you give to the person or organization paying you. Your gender is a sub note. If it helps you, great, if it doesn't tough cheese...chose another profession if you don't like it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)