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derben Flag 21 May 15 5.03pm

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Am I right in thinking that those against unions are happy for workers not to have any say in how they are treated? Or recourse of action if they are treated unfairly?

I think the unions lost their way a while ago. More interested in issuing credit cards and supporting the 'rights' of various self-important minority interests.

Jack Jones - there was a proper union man.


My union most definitely hasn't lost its way lol. But i suppose it depends on what you mean by "lost their way"? If it means getting big pay rises, a reduction in the working week, and a four day week, then i suppose you're right!!!

I think they have 'lost their way' like the Labour party has. They no longer fully represent and work in the interests of ordinary British working people.


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 21 May 15 5.09pm

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Am I right in thinking that those against unions are happy for workers not to have any say in how they are treated? Or recourse of action if they are treated unfairly?

I think the unions lost their way a while ago. More interested in issuing credit cards and supporting the 'rights' of various self-important minority interests.

Jack Jones - there was a proper union man.


My union most definitely hasn't lost its way lol. But i suppose it depends on what you mean by "lost their way"? If it means getting big pay rises, a reduction in the working week, and a four day week, then i suppose you're right!!!

I think they have 'lost their way' like the Labour party has. They no longer fully represent and work in the interests of ordinary British working people.


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derben Flag 21 May 15 5.18pm

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Am I right in thinking that those against unions are happy for workers not to have any say in how they are treated? Or recourse of action if they are treated unfairly?

I think the unions lost their way a while ago. More interested in issuing credit cards and supporting the 'rights' of various self-important minority interests.

Jack Jones - there was a proper union man.


My union most definitely hasn't lost its way lol. But i suppose it depends on what you mean by "lost their way"? If it means getting big pay rises, a reduction in the working week, and a four day week, then i suppose you're right!!!

I think they have 'lost their way' like the Labour party has. They no longer fully represent and work in the interests of ordinary British working people.


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Why do you think union membership has halved since 1980.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 21 May 15 5.24pm

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Am I right in thinking that those against unions are happy for workers not to have any say in how they are treated? Or recourse of action if they are treated unfairly?

I think the unions lost their way a while ago. More interested in issuing credit cards and supporting the 'rights' of various self-important minority interests.

Jack Jones - there was a proper union man.


My union most definitely hasn't lost its way lol. But i suppose it depends on what you mean by "lost their way"? If it means getting big pay rises, a reduction in the working week, and a four day week, then i suppose you're right!!!

I think they have 'lost their way' like the Labour party has. They no longer fully represent and work in the interests of ordinary British working people.


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Why do you think union membership has halved since 1980.

Why do you think the gap between the highest and lowest paid increases when there is lower union membership?

 

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derben Flag 21 May 15 5.27pm

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Am I right in thinking that those against unions are happy for workers not to have any say in how they are treated? Or recourse of action if they are treated unfairly?

I think the unions lost their way a while ago. More interested in issuing credit cards and supporting the 'rights' of various self-important minority interests.

Jack Jones - there was a proper union man.


My union most definitely hasn't lost its way lol. But i suppose it depends on what you mean by "lost their way"? If it means getting big pay rises, a reduction in the working week, and a four day week, then i suppose you're right!!!

I think they have 'lost their way' like the Labour party has. They no longer fully represent and work in the interests of ordinary British working people.


Edited by derben (21 May 2015 5.03pm)

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Why do you think union membership has halved since 1980.

Why do you think the gap between the highest and lowest paid increases when there is lower union membership?

Dodge the question then. Workers increasingly do not want to join unions.

 

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Pawson Palace Flag Croydon 21 May 15 5.29pm Send a Private Message to Pawson Palace Add Pawson Palace as a friend

I was unhappy in my last job.

I asked for a payrise.

I was offered an unsatisfactory one.

I went onto the job market.

One month later I got a 50% payrise elsewhere.

I didn't need anyone else, I didn't interfere with anyone else and I just got on with it rather than make a song and dance.

If you know what you're worth go and get it, don't bleat on about it and say how unfair everything is. If you can't get what you think you're worth then you need to work harder or improve your skill set it's that simple.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 21 May 15 5.33pm

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Am I right in thinking that those against unions are happy for workers not to have any say in how they are treated? Or recourse of action if they are treated unfairly?

I think the unions lost their way a while ago. More interested in issuing credit cards and supporting the 'rights' of various self-important minority interests.

Jack Jones - there was a proper union man.


My union most definitely hasn't lost its way lol. But i suppose it depends on what you mean by "lost their way"? If it means getting big pay rises, a reduction in the working week, and a four day week, then i suppose you're right!!!

I think they have 'lost their way' like the Labour party has. They no longer fully represent and work in the interests of ordinary British working people.


Edited by derben (21 May 2015 5.03pm)

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Why do you think union membership has halved since 1980.

Why do you think the gap between the highest and lowest paid increases when there is lower union membership?

Dodge the question then. Workers increasingly do not want to join unions.

There are a few reasons I can think of off the top of my head.

Political change. Since early 1980s, the government have introduced legislation making trade unions weaker (e.g. ending closed shops, banning secondary picketing)

De-industrialisation. Industries which were once the bedrock of the union movement have seen rapid falls in employment. For instance the coal industry only employs around 10000 people, it used to be hundreds of thousands.

More flexible labour markets. The new industries and sectors which have replaced heavy industry have not lent themselves to trade unions as well.

No history of unions in new industries. Industries like construction and info and communication have less tradition of trade unions, so it’s difficult to get a strong movement started.

Increased competitiveness of globalisation encouraged firms to adopt a stronger anti-union stance to try and increase competitiveness.

Higher long-term unemployment in UK since 1980s, means workers have less power and influence

Workers increasingly work in workplaces where organised unions are not allowed.

The media don't portray unions that well, for instance are labelled as 'holding the country to ransom' rather than defined as 'defending workers' rights'


Happy?

Now...Why do you think the gap between the highest and lowest paid increases when there is lower union membership?

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 21 May 15 5.37pm

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I was unhappy in my last job.

I asked for a payrise.

I was offered an unsatisfactory one.

I went onto the job market.

One month later I got a 50% payrise elsewhere.

I didn't need anyone else, I didn't interfere with anyone else and I just got on with it rather than make a song and dance.

If you know what you're worth go and get it, don't bleat on about it and say how unfair everything is. If you can't get what you think you're worth then you need to work harder or improve your skill set it's that simple.

It's not that simple though is it?
Perhaps you live in that golden era when you could quit your job on a Wednesday and have found a new job within a couple of days.

 

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derben Flag 21 May 15 5.41pm

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Quote nickgusset at 21 May 2015 5.09pm

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Quote derben at 21 May 2015 4.27pm

Quote nickgusset at 21 May 2015 4.15pm

Am I right in thinking that those against unions are happy for workers not to have any say in how they are treated? Or recourse of action if they are treated unfairly?

I think the unions lost their way a while ago. More interested in issuing credit cards and supporting the 'rights' of various self-important minority interests.

Jack Jones - there was a proper union man.


My union most definitely hasn't lost its way lol. But i suppose it depends on what you mean by "lost their way"? If it means getting big pay rises, a reduction in the working week, and a four day week, then i suppose you're right!!!

I think they have 'lost their way' like the Labour party has. They no longer fully represent and work in the interests of ordinary British working people.


Edited by derben (21 May 2015 5.03pm)

Go on...

Why do you think union membership has halved since 1980.

Why do you think the gap between the highest and lowest paid increases when there is lower union membership?

Dodge the question then. Workers increasingly do not want to join unions.

There are a few reasons I can think of off the top of my head.

Political change. Since early 1980s, the government have introduced legislation making trade unions weaker (e.g. ending closed shops, banning secondary picketing)

De-industrialisation. Industries which were once the bedrock of the union movement have seen rapid falls in employment. For instance the coal industry only employs around 10000 people, it used to be hundreds of thousands.

More flexible labour markets. The new industries and sectors which have replaced heavy industry have not lent themselves to trade unions as well.

No history of unions in new industries. Industries like construction and info and communication have less tradition of trade unions, so it’s difficult to get a strong movement started.

Increased competitiveness of globalisation encouraged firms to adopt a stronger anti-union stance to try and increase competitiveness.

Higher long-term unemployment in UK since 1980s, means workers have less power and influence

Workers increasingly work in workplaces where organised unions are not allowed.


Happy?

Now...Why do you think the gap between the highest and lowest paid increases when there is lower union membership?

You forgot to add, supporting immigration that takes British workers' jobs and lowers wages.
Being more concerned with gay and other minorities rights than those of the majority of their members.
Failing to support women sacked for wearing a crucifix.

 

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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 21 May 15 5.41pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

As contrary as it will sound I dislike unions and believe that they are largely archaic and full self interested people. However as with most things, there does need to be a counter balance so they are almost a necessary evil.

Most seem less relevant than ever now and if they want to succeed probably need to reinvent themselves.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 21 May 15 6.11pm

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Quote nickgusset at 21 May 2015 4.15pm

Am I right in thinking that those against unions are happy for workers not to have any say in how they are treated? Or recourse of action if they are treated unfairly?

I think the unions lost their way a while ago. More interested in issuing credit cards and supporting the 'rights' of various self-important minority interests.

Jack Jones - there was a proper union man.


My union most definitely hasn't lost its way lol. But i suppose it depends on what you mean by "lost their way"? If it means getting big pay rises, a reduction in the working week, and a four day week, then i suppose you're right!!!

I think they have 'lost their way' like the Labour party has. They no longer fully represent and work in the interests of ordinary British working people.


Edited by derben (21 May 2015 5.03pm)

Go on...

Why do you think union membership has halved since 1980.

Why do you think the gap between the highest and lowest paid increases when there is lower union membership?

Dodge the question then. Workers increasingly do not want to join unions.

There are a few reasons I can think of off the top of my head.

Political change. Since early 1980s, the government have introduced legislation making trade unions weaker (e.g. ending closed shops, banning secondary picketing)

De-industrialisation. Industries which were once the bedrock of the union movement have seen rapid falls in employment. For instance the coal industry only employs around 10000 people, it used to be hundreds of thousands.

More flexible labour markets. The new industries and sectors which have replaced heavy industry have not lent themselves to trade unions as well.

No history of unions in new industries. Industries like construction and info and communication have less tradition of trade unions, so it’s difficult to get a strong movement started.

Increased competitiveness of globalisation encouraged firms to adopt a stronger anti-union stance to try and increase competitiveness.

Higher long-term unemployment in UK since 1980s, means workers have less power and influence

Workers increasingly work in workplaces where organised unions are not allowed.


Happy?

Now...Why do you think the gap between the highest and lowest paid increases when there is lower union membership?

You forgot to add, supporting immigration that takes British workers' jobs and lowers wages.
Being more concerned with gay and other minorities rights than those of the majority of their members.
Failing to support women sacked for wearing a crucifix.


And you forgot to answer my question.

 

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Pawson Palace Flag Croydon 21 May 15 10.31pm Send a Private Message to Pawson Palace Add Pawson Palace as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 21 May 2015 5.37pm

Quote Pawson Palace at 21 May 2015 5.29pm

I was unhappy in my last job.

I asked for a payrise.

I was offered an unsatisfactory one.

I went onto the job market.

One month later I got a 50% payrise elsewhere.

I didn't need anyone else, I didn't interfere with anyone else and I just got on with it rather than make a song and dance.

If you know what you're worth go and get it, don't bleat on about it and say how unfair everything is. If you can't get what you think you're worth then you need to work harder or improve your skill set it's that simple.

It's not that simple though is it?
Perhaps you live in that golden era when you could quit your job on a Wednesday and have found a new job within a couple of days.

This was a month ago- so i'll let you decide if its golden or not.

My point is the people who complain the most in my experience are always the last ones to leave.

If the rail workers really believe they are hard done by they'd be off in a shot. It's just illogical to keep fighting all the time surely you'd think I dont need this and move on to something better. Enough people do it and then the rail companies or whoever would have to fix up.

 


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