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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Jun 14 4.57pm
Quote aceedi at 17 Jun 2014 4.52pm Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 4.18pm Quote matt_himself at 17 Jun 2014 4.06pm Gusset - you are twisting again. I believe that you are an extremist apologist because of the way you lightly brush off the threat by saying 'austerity is worse'. Nothing to do with whether you know or don't know Muslims. I never saw a Tory politician behead anyone, unlike Lee Rigbys killers. No, but their policies have resulted in deaths and suicides. Google ATOS for example. How many deaths and suicides do you blame the government for and what criteria do you apply in blaming them? Government statistics indicate that between January 2011 and November 2011, 10,600 sick and disabled people died within six weeks of their benefit claim ending. Such was the furore about this figure, the DWP has stopped using Atos data to count the number of deaths. From [Link]
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Shizzlehurst 17 Jun 14 4.57pm

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Quote matt_himself at 17 Jun 2014 4.06pm

Gusset - you are twisting again.

I believe that you are an extremist apologist because of the way you lightly brush off the threat by saying 'austerity is worse'. Nothing to do with whether you know or don't know Muslims.

I never saw a Tory politician behead anyone, unlike Lee Rigbys killers.

No, but their policies have resulted in deaths and suicides. Google ATOS for example.

How many deaths and suicides do you blame the government for and what criteria do you apply in blaming them?

Government statistics indicate that between January 2011 and November 2011, 10,600 sick and disabled people died within six weeks of their benefit claim ending. Such was the furore about this figure, the DWP has stopped using Atos data to count the number of deaths.
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ghosteagle 17 Jun 14 5.01pm
Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 4.18pm Quote matt_himself at 17 Jun 2014 4.06pm Gusset - you are twisting again. I believe that you are an extremist apologist because of the way you lightly brush off the threat by saying 'austerity is worse'. Nothing to do with whether you know or don't know Muslims. I never saw a Tory politician behead anyone, unlike Lee Rigbys killers. No, but their policies have resulted in deaths and suicides. Google ATOS for example. ATOS are a disgrace. The people in charge should be put up against a wall. Scum, subhuman scum.
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ghosteagle

17 Jun 14 5.01pm

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Quote matt_himself at 17 Jun 2014 4.06pm

Gusset - you are twisting again.

I believe that you are an extremist apologist because of the way you lightly brush off the threat by saying 'austerity is worse'. Nothing to do with whether you know or don't know Muslims.

I never saw a Tory politician behead anyone, unlike Lee Rigbys killers.

No, but their policies have resulted in deaths and suicides. Google ATOS for example.

ATOS are a disgrace. The people in charge should be put up against a wall. Scum, subhuman scum.

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aceedi 17 Jun 14 5.08pm
Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 4.57pm Quote aceedi at 17 Jun 2014 4.52pm Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 4.18pm Quote matt_himself at 17 Jun 2014 4.06pm Gusset - you are twisting again. I believe that you are an extremist apologist because of the way you lightly brush off the threat by saying 'austerity is worse'. Nothing to do with whether you know or don't know Muslims. I never saw a Tory politician behead anyone, unlike Lee Rigbys killers. No, but their policies have resulted in deaths and suicides. Google ATOS for example. How many deaths and suicides do you blame the government for and what criteria do you apply in blaming them? Government statistics indicate that between January 2011 and November 2011, 10,600 sick and disabled people died within six weeks of their benefit claim ending. Such was the furore about this figure, the DWP has stopped using Atos data to count the number of deaths. From [Link] So you are seriously suggesting that 10,600 people died as a result changes in their benefits. That is so unsubstantiated it is absurd - even for you.
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17 Jun 14 5.08pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 4.57pm

Quote aceedi at 17 Jun 2014 4.52pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 4.18pm

Quote matt_himself at 17 Jun 2014 4.06pm

Gusset - you are twisting again.

I believe that you are an extremist apologist because of the way you lightly brush off the threat by saying 'austerity is worse'. Nothing to do with whether you know or don't know Muslims.

I never saw a Tory politician behead anyone, unlike Lee Rigbys killers.

No, but their policies have resulted in deaths and suicides. Google ATOS for example.

How many deaths and suicides do you blame the government for and what criteria do you apply in blaming them?

So you are seriously suggesting that 10,600 people died as a result changes in their benefits. That is so unsubstantiated it is absurd - even for you.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Jun 14 5.10pm
Quote aceedi at 17 Jun 2014 5.08pm Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 4.57pm Quote aceedi at 17 Jun 2014 4.52pm Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 4.18pm Quote matt_himself at 17 Jun 2014 4.06pm Gusset - you are twisting again. I believe that you are an extremist apologist because of the way you lightly brush off the threat by saying 'austerity is worse'. Nothing to do with whether you know or don't know Muslims. I never saw a Tory politician behead anyone, unlike Lee Rigbys killers. No, but their policies have resulted in deaths and suicides. Google ATOS for example. How many deaths and suicides do you blame the government for and what criteria do you apply in blaming them? Government statistics indicate that between January 2011 and November 2011, 10,600 sick and disabled people died within six weeks of their benefit claim ending. Such was the furore about this figure, the DWP has stopped using Atos data to count the number of deaths. From [Link] So you are seriously suggesting that 10,600 people died as a result changes in their benefits. That is so unsubstantiated it is absurd - even for you. For someone who has only been registered a couple of weeks you do seem to have a familiar posting style. I'm only going by what was reported in the big issue, but if you look on tinterweb, (which you won't because it just many prove you wrong) the figure is used a lot. Edited by nickgusset (17 Jun 2014 5.14pm)
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Shizzlehurst 17 Jun 14 5.10pm

Quote aceedi at 17 Jun 2014 5.08pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 4.57pm

Quote aceedi at 17 Jun 2014 4.52pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 4.18pm

Quote matt_himself at 17 Jun 2014 4.06pm

Gusset - you are twisting again.

I believe that you are an extremist apologist because of the way you lightly brush off the threat by saying 'austerity is worse'. Nothing to do with whether you know or don't know Muslims.

I never saw a Tory politician behead anyone, unlike Lee Rigbys killers.

No, but their policies have resulted in deaths and suicides. Google ATOS for example.

How many deaths and suicides do you blame the government for and what criteria do you apply in blaming them?

So you are seriously suggesting that 10,600 people died as a result changes in their benefits. That is so unsubstantiated it is absurd - even for you.

For someone who has only been registered a couple of weeks you do seem to have a familiar posting style.

I'm only going by what was reported in the big issue, but if you look on tinterweb, (which you won't because it just many prove you wrong) the figure is used a lot.

Edited by nickgusset (17 Jun 2014 5.14pm)

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Stirlingsays 17 Jun 14 5.12pm
Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 3.44pm Can you back this up Stirling? The stats are quite well known. [Link] [Link] 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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17 Jun 14 5.12pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 3.44pm

Can you back this up Stirling?

The stats are quite well known.

[Link]

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aceedi 17 Jun 14 5.21pm
Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 5.10pm Quote aceedi at 17 Jun 2014 5.08pm Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 4.57pm Quote aceedi at 17 Jun 2014 4.52pm Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 4.18pm Quote matt_himself at 17 Jun 2014 4.06pm Gusset - you are twisting again. I believe that you are an extremist apologist because of the way you lightly brush off the threat by saying 'austerity is worse'. Nothing to do with whether you know or don't know Muslims. I never saw a Tory politician behead anyone, unlike Lee Rigbys killers. No, but their policies have resulted in deaths and suicides. Google ATOS for example. How many deaths and suicides do you blame the government for and what criteria do you apply in blaming them? Government statistics indicate that between January 2011 and November 2011, 10,600 sick and disabled people died within six weeks of their benefit claim ending. Such was the furore about this figure, the DWP has stopped using Atos data to count the number of deaths. From [Link] So you are seriously suggesting that 10,600 people died as a result changes in their benefits. That is so unsubstantiated it is absurd - even for you. For someone who has only been registered a couple of weeks you do seem to have a familiar posting style. I'm only going by what was reported in the big issue, but if you look on tinterweb, (which you won't because it just many prove you wrong) the figure is used a lot. Edited by nickgusset (17 Jun 2014 5.14pm) Have you got any figures on how many sick and disabled people died in the six weeks before benefit changes? Do you think it remotely possible that the sick and disabled people died of their illnesses and disabilities rather than dropping dead when their benefits changed?
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aceedi

17 Jun 14 5.21pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 5.10pm

Quote aceedi at 17 Jun 2014 5.08pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 4.57pm

Quote aceedi at 17 Jun 2014 4.52pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 4.18pm

Quote matt_himself at 17 Jun 2014 4.06pm

Gusset - you are twisting again.

I believe that you are an extremist apologist because of the way you lightly brush off the threat by saying 'austerity is worse'. Nothing to do with whether you know or don't know Muslims.

I never saw a Tory politician behead anyone, unlike Lee Rigbys killers.

No, but their policies have resulted in deaths and suicides. Google ATOS for example.

How many deaths and suicides do you blame the government for and what criteria do you apply in blaming them?

So you are seriously suggesting that 10,600 people died as a result changes in their benefits. That is so unsubstantiated it is absurd - even for you.

For someone who has only been registered a couple of weeks you do seem to have a familiar posting style.

I'm only going by what was reported in the big issue, but if you look on tinterweb, (which you won't because it just many prove you wrong) the figure is used a lot.

Edited by nickgusset (17 Jun 2014 5.14pm)

Have you got any figures on how many sick and disabled people died in the six weeks before benefit changes? Do you think it remotely possible that the sick and disabled people died of their illnesses and disabilities rather than dropping dead when their benefits changed?

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ghosteagle 17 Jun 14 5.22pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 17 Jun 2014 5.12pm Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 3.44pm Can you back this up Stirling? The stats are quite well known. [Link] [Link] That's your evidence!??! Apart from the fact that opinions polls are notoriously unreliable and open to manipulation they are also from 2006 & 2009. I ain't taking a side but that's poor, very poor.
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ghosteagle

17 Jun 14 5.22pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 17 Jun 2014 5.12pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 3.44pm

Can you back this up Stirling?

The stats are quite well known.

[Link]

That's your evidence!??! Apart from the fact that opinions polls are notoriously unreliable and open to manipulation they are also from 2006 & 2009. I ain't taking a side but that's poor, very poor.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Jun 14 5.27pm
Quote aceedi at 17 Jun 2014 5.21pm Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 5.10pm Quote aceedi at 17 Jun 2014 5.08pm Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 4.57pm Quote aceedi at 17 Jun 2014 4.52pm Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 4.18pm Quote matt_himself at 17 Jun 2014 4.06pm Gusset - you are twisting again. I believe that you are an extremist apologist because of the way you lightly brush off the threat by saying 'austerity is worse'. Nothing to do with whether you know or don't know Muslims. I never saw a Tory politician behead anyone, unlike Lee Rigbys killers. No, but their policies have resulted in deaths and suicides. Google ATOS for example. How many deaths and suicides do you blame the government for and what criteria do you apply in blaming them? Government statistics indicate that between January 2011 and November 2011, 10,600 sick and disabled people died within six weeks of their benefit claim ending. Such was the furore about this figure, the DWP has stopped using Atos data to count the number of deaths. From [Link] So you are seriously suggesting that 10,600 people died as a result changes in their benefits. That is so unsubstantiated it is absurd - even for you. For someone who has only been registered a couple of weeks you do seem to have a familiar posting style. I'm only going by what was reported in the big issue, but if you look on tinterweb, (which you won't because it just many prove you wrong) the figure is used a lot. Edited by nickgusset (17 Jun 2014 5.14pm) Have you got any figures on how many sick and disabled people died in the six weeks before benefit changes? Do you think it remotely possible that the sick and disabled people died of their illnesses and disabilities rather than dropping dead when their benefits changed? Not the point. The point is that these people were deemed fit enough to have their sickness benefits stopped, when quite blatantly they weren't fit. If they were, they wouldn't have died would they?
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Shizzlehurst 17 Jun 14 5.27pm

Quote aceedi at 17 Jun 2014 5.21pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 5.10pm

Quote aceedi at 17 Jun 2014 5.08pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 4.57pm

Quote aceedi at 17 Jun 2014 4.52pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 4.18pm

Quote matt_himself at 17 Jun 2014 4.06pm

Gusset - you are twisting again.

I believe that you are an extremist apologist because of the way you lightly brush off the threat by saying 'austerity is worse'. Nothing to do with whether you know or don't know Muslims.

I never saw a Tory politician behead anyone, unlike Lee Rigbys killers.

No, but their policies have resulted in deaths and suicides. Google ATOS for example.

How many deaths and suicides do you blame the government for and what criteria do you apply in blaming them?

So you are seriously suggesting that 10,600 people died as a result changes in their benefits. That is so unsubstantiated it is absurd - even for you.

For someone who has only been registered a couple of weeks you do seem to have a familiar posting style.

I'm only going by what was reported in the big issue, but if you look on tinterweb, (which you won't because it just many prove you wrong) the figure is used a lot.

Edited by nickgusset (17 Jun 2014 5.14pm)

Not the point. The point is that these people were deemed fit enough to have their sickness benefits stopped, when quite blatantly they weren't fit. If they were, they wouldn't have died would they?

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aceedi 17 Jun 14 5.33pm
Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 5.27pm Quote aceedi at 17 Jun 2014 5.21pm Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 5.10pm Quote aceedi at 17 Jun 2014 5.08pm Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 4.57pm Quote aceedi at 17 Jun 2014 4.52pm Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 4.18pm Quote matt_himself at 17 Jun 2014 4.06pm Gusset - you are twisting again. I believe that you are an extremist apologist because of the way you lightly brush off the threat by saying 'austerity is worse'. Nothing to do with whether you know or don't know Muslims. I never saw a Tory politician behead anyone, unlike Lee Rigbys killers. No, but their policies have resulted in deaths and suicides. Google ATOS for example. How many deaths and suicides do you blame the government for and what criteria do you apply in blaming them? Government statistics indicate that between January 2011 and November 2011, 10,600 sick and disabled people died within six weeks of their benefit claim ending. Such was the furore about this figure, the DWP has stopped using Atos data to count the number of deaths. From [Link] So you are seriously suggesting that 10,600 people died as a result changes in their benefits. That is so unsubstantiated it is absurd - even for you. For someone who has only been registered a couple of weeks you do seem to have a familiar posting style. I'm only going by what was reported in the big issue, but if you look on tinterweb, (which you won't because it just many prove you wrong) the figure is used a lot. Edited by nickgusset (17 Jun 2014 5.14pm) Have you got any figures on how many sick and disabled people died in the six weeks before benefit changes? Do you think it remotely possible that the sick and disabled people died of their illnesses and disabilities rather than dropping dead when their benefits changed? Not the point. The point is that these people were deemed fit enough to have their sickness benefits stopped, when quite blatantly they weren't fit. If they were, they wouldn't have died would they? It is entirely the point. You are saying they died because their benefits changed, you are saying that the cause of death on the death certificates should read 'due to change in benefits'.
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aceedi

17 Jun 14 5.33pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 5.27pm

Quote aceedi at 17 Jun 2014 5.21pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 5.10pm

Quote aceedi at 17 Jun 2014 5.08pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 4.57pm

Quote aceedi at 17 Jun 2014 4.52pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 4.18pm

Quote matt_himself at 17 Jun 2014 4.06pm

Gusset - you are twisting again.

I believe that you are an extremist apologist because of the way you lightly brush off the threat by saying 'austerity is worse'. Nothing to do with whether you know or don't know Muslims.

I never saw a Tory politician behead anyone, unlike Lee Rigbys killers.

No, but their policies have resulted in deaths and suicides. Google ATOS for example.

How many deaths and suicides do you blame the government for and what criteria do you apply in blaming them?

So you are seriously suggesting that 10,600 people died as a result changes in their benefits. That is so unsubstantiated it is absurd - even for you.

For someone who has only been registered a couple of weeks you do seem to have a familiar posting style.

I'm only going by what was reported in the big issue, but if you look on tinterweb, (which you won't because it just many prove you wrong) the figure is used a lot.

Edited by nickgusset (17 Jun 2014 5.14pm)

Not the point. The point is that these people were deemed fit enough to have their sickness benefits stopped, when quite blatantly they weren't fit. If they were, they wouldn't have died would they?

It is entirely the point. You are saying they died because their benefits changed, you are saying that the cause of death on the death certificates should read 'due to change in benefits'.

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davenotamonkey 17 Jun 14 5.34pm
Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 3.44pm Quote Stirlingsays at 17 Jun 2014 3.37pm Quote Kermit8 at 17 Jun 2014 12.32pm I was thinking of people who were not around London in the mid 70's due to not even being born yet who shudder at the mere mention of the word 'muslim' today. How would they have coped knowing there really were IRA cells walking the same streets armed and dangerous for many years and carrying out attacks all over The Smoke when they can't even buy a mango today without eyeballing Mr Abdul Ali the grocery shop owner with suspicion? Edited by Kermit8 (17 Jun 2014 12.37pm) People hate murderers pretty much independent of where they come from or what they believe......The IRA were considered scum....Many don't think much better of them now. Wasn't that 7/7 bomber a teaching assisant who everyone thought well of? Sure the actual number of Muslims who carry out attacks is tiny....Even when we include the number of foiled attacks.....Still, the number of Muslims who support anti western ideas isn't......That's a significant number. The left bury their heads into the sand....They end up giving us the Birmingham schools nonsense because they so obsessed with not upsetting minorities. Why shouldn't people be suspicous? To trust someone you need to share things in common. I treat as I find but trust is something earned, not given out easily. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2014 3.39pm) Can you back this up Stirling? [Link] Watch it. Don't worry - it's not got stonings, or beheadings or other executions in it. It's a lot scarier. You can start at ~2:20 if you don't have the attention span for the whole thing (the rabid Guardian comments section can have that affect... don't worry).
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Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 3.44pm

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I was thinking of people who were not around London in the mid 70's due to not even being born yet who shudder at the mere mention of the word 'muslim' today.

How would they have coped knowing there really were IRA cells walking the same streets armed and dangerous for many years and carrying out attacks all over The Smoke when they can't even buy a mango today without eyeballing Mr Abdul Ali the grocery shop owner with suspicion?

Edited by Kermit8 (17 Jun 2014 12.37pm)

People hate murderers pretty much independent of where they come from or what they believe......The IRA were considered scum....Many don't think much better of them now.

Wasn't that 7/7 bomber a teaching assisant who everyone thought well of?

Sure the actual number of Muslims who carry out attacks is tiny....Even when we include the number of foiled attacks.....Still, the number of Muslims who support anti western ideas isn't......That's a significant number.

The left bury their heads into the sand....They end up giving us the Birmingham schools nonsense because they so obsessed with not upsetting minorities.

Why shouldn't people be suspicous? To trust someone you need to share things in common.

I treat as I find but trust is something earned, not given out easily.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2014 3.39pm)

Can you back this up Stirling?

[Link]

Watch it. Don't worry - it's not got stonings, or beheadings or other executions in it. It's a lot scarier. You can start at ~2:20 if you don't have the attention span for the whole thing (the rabid Guardian comments section can have that affect... don't worry).

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Stirlingsays 17 Jun 14 5.37pm
Quote ghosteagle at 17 Jun 2014 5.22pm Quote Stirlingsays at 17 Jun 2014 5.12pm Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 3.44pm Can you back this up Stirling? The stats are quite well known. [Link] [Link] That's your evidence!??! Apart from the fact that opinions polls are notoriously unreliable and open to manipulation they are also from 2006 & 2009. I ain't taking a side but that's poor, very poor. How is it poor? Opinion polls are the only way we have of finding out.....guess what....Opinions. What other method do you suggest? You have a problem with the dates? We have elections every five years....How often do you think we should be carrying out surveys like this. How long do you want me to spend? Tell you what I spend ten minutes looking for evidence that I was asked for.....You find evidence to the contrary if you don't like it. Very poor indeed. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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17 Jun 14 5.37pm

Quote ghosteagle at 17 Jun 2014 5.22pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 17 Jun 2014 5.12pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 3.44pm

Can you back this up Stirling?

The stats are quite well known.

[Link]

That's your evidence!??! Apart from the fact that opinions polls are notoriously unreliable and open to manipulation they are also from 2006 & 2009. I ain't taking a side but that's poor, very poor.

How is it poor?

Opinion polls are the only way we have of finding out.....guess what....Opinions. What other method do you suggest?

You have a problem with the dates? We have elections every five years....How often do you think we should be carrying out surveys like this.

How long do you want me to spend? Tell you what I spend ten minutes looking for evidence that I was asked for.....You find evidence to the contrary if you don't like it.

Very poor indeed.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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ghosteagle 17 Jun 14 5.42pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 17 Jun 2014 5.37pm Quote ghosteagle at 17 Jun 2014 5.22pm Quote Stirlingsays at 17 Jun 2014 5.12pm Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 3.44pm Can you back this up Stirling? The stats are quite well known. [Link] [Link] That's your evidence!??! Apart from the fact that opinions polls are notoriously unreliable and open to manipulation they are also from 2006 & 2009. I ain't taking a side but that's poor, very poor. How is it poor? Opinion polls are the only way we have of finding out.....guess what....Opinions. What other method do you suggest? You have a problem with the dates? We have elections every five years....How often do you think we should be carrying out surveys like this. How long do you want me to spend? Tell you what I spend ten minutes looking for evidence that I was asked for.....You find evidence to the contrary if you don't like it. Very poor indeed. So you're argument is that that's the best evidence that you could find in ten minutes so i have to accept it!?!? You've gone from poor to bizarre. Please try harder.
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17 Jun 14 5.42pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 17 Jun 2014 5.37pm

Quote ghosteagle at 17 Jun 2014 5.22pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 17 Jun 2014 5.12pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 3.44pm

Can you back this up Stirling?

The stats are quite well known.

[Link]

That's your evidence!??! Apart from the fact that opinions polls are notoriously unreliable and open to manipulation they are also from 2006 & 2009. I ain't taking a side but that's poor, very poor.

How is it poor?

Opinion polls are the only way we have of finding out.....guess what....Opinions. What other method do you suggest?

You have a problem with the dates? We have elections every five years....How often do you think we should be carrying out surveys like this.

How long do you want me to spend? Tell you what I spend ten minutes looking for evidence that I was asked for.....You find evidence to the contrary if you don't like it.

Very poor indeed.

So you're argument is that that's the best evidence that you could find in ten minutes so i have to accept it!?!? You've gone from poor to bizarre. Please try harder.

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