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jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Apr 15 1.51pm
Quote Kermit8 at 07 Apr 2015 1.12pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 Apr 2015 10.28am Quote cpfccolin at 03 Apr 2015 6.51pm If everyone suffered with depression because their wife left them or they lost tier job, this would be a very sorry state of a country. Get over it grow a pair, we all have lost a job or a girlfriend or have a family member die its part of life. I am a self employed plumber/Multi-trader with a family I don't always have work every day or week, sometimes go a couple of months without work. I don't take pity on myself and start crying like a baby and say I feel depressed I have no work, quick let me run to the doctor and take a pill. I get on with life Depression isn't being sad, its the loss of affect. It can be triggered by things like grief or loss etc but effectively its a disorder in the production - either from under production, or higher reuptake at the synaptic gap. This generally has a hereditory basis, and is considered present as a predisposition. People prone to depression simply biologically lack a capacity to recover in incidents that trigger their disorder, and that without intervention and treatment, the disorder itself simply creates a greater loss of affect (essentially its a feedback loop). As a result, most people within the first few bouts spiral, because they lack the biological basis of recovery or the cognative skills required to address and identify root causes of the spiral. Depression isn't about being sad or unhappy, its about the loss of the capacity for affect entirely. When I'm sad, I'm paradoxically not depressed, and that in itself makes me happy. You know those days when you wake up in the middle of the night, and can't sleep, when you know everything is pointless, meaningless and has no value, that no matter what you do, nothing happens or changes. Thats me on a average day, all of the time. The meds take the edge off, the experience gives me tools to stabalise. My life is pretty good (I'm self employed, earn a good living etc) but that makes no difference. Not a sufferer but kinda understand where you are coming from. The pointlessness of life can obviously be overwhelming but there are things out there which can keep you very busy and can make it go right to the back of the queue in our thoughts. So much so that it becomes pointless to even dwell on it. 'What's that, son?' - 'you want to bankrupt me again in monopoly?' Love is the drug. True that, keeping 'active' really helps, even if its futile, and I kind of embraced that futility with a bit of Zen meditation and learning, and that really helped. It kind of turns the futility of a meaningless existance into a positive thing. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 07 Apr 15 1.51pm

Quote Kermit8 at 07 Apr 2015 1.12pm

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Quote cpfccolin at 03 Apr 2015 6.51pm

If everyone suffered with depression because their wife left them or they lost tier job, this would be a very sorry state of a country.

Get over it grow a pair, we all have lost a job or a girlfriend or have a family member die its part of life.

I am a self employed plumber/Multi-trader with a family I don't always have work every day or week, sometimes go a couple of months without work.

I don't take pity on myself and start crying like a baby and say I feel depressed I have no work, quick let me run to the doctor and take a pill.
I get on with life

Depression isn't being sad, its the loss of affect. It can be triggered by things like grief or loss etc but effectively its a disorder in the production - either from under production, or higher reuptake at the synaptic gap.

This generally has a hereditory basis, and is considered present as a predisposition.

People prone to depression simply biologically lack a capacity to recover in incidents that trigger their disorder, and that without intervention and treatment, the disorder itself simply creates a greater loss of affect (essentially its a feedback loop).

As a result, most people within the first few bouts spiral, because they lack the biological basis of recovery or the cognative skills required to address and identify root causes of the spiral.

Depression isn't about being sad or unhappy, its about the loss of the capacity for affect entirely. When I'm sad, I'm paradoxically not depressed, and that in itself makes me happy.

You know those days when you wake up in the middle of the night, and can't sleep, when you know everything is pointless, meaningless and has no value, that no matter what you do, nothing happens or changes. Thats me on a average day, all of the time.

The meds take the edge off, the experience gives me tools to stabalise. My life is pretty good (I'm self employed, earn a good living etc) but that makes no difference.

Not a sufferer but kinda understand where you are coming from.

The pointlessness of life can obviously be overwhelming but there are things out there which can keep you very busy and can make it go right to the back of the queue in our thoughts. So much so that it becomes pointless to even dwell on it.

'What's that, son?' - 'you want to bankrupt me again in monopoly?'

Love is the drug.

True that, keeping 'active' really helps, even if its futile, and I kind of embraced that futility with a bit of Zen meditation and learning, and that really helped. It kind of turns the futility of a meaningless existance into a positive thing.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Pikester Worthing 07 Apr 15 1.55pm
Quote suicideatselhurst at 06 Apr 2015 8.24pm Quote Lucas Oliver at 06 Apr 2015 7.08pm Never had depression and don't really get the moping malarkey. However the amount of people who seem to have a lot going for them and still get it is huge. I think it's one of those where you don't really get what it's all about until you've had it. If I was to top myself I'd scale the Arthur and do a running long jump/swallow dive on to the pitch. You have to be over 250 feet to ensure you dont survive ...you might just end up getting put in a wheel chair for the rest of your life..now thats something that might get you down Plus Steve Parish is very anti dives into the crowd. You could get banned. You fed me, you bred me, I'll remember your name.
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Never had depression and don't really get the moping malarkey. However the amount of people who seem to have a lot going for them and still get it is huge. I think it's one of those where you don't really get what it's all about until you've had it.

If I was to top myself I'd scale the Arthur and do a running long jump/swallow dive on to the pitch.

You have to be over 250 feet to ensure you dont survive ...you might just end up getting put in a wheel chair for the rest of your life..now thats something that might get you down

Plus Steve Parish is very anti dives into the crowd. You could get banned.

You fed me, you bred me, I'll remember your name.

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Lucas Oliver Miles away 08 Apr 15 1.43am
Quote suicideatselhurst at 06 Apr 2015 8.24pm Quote Lucas Oliver at 06 Apr 2015 7.08pm Never had depression and don't really get the moping malarkey. However the amount of people who seem to have a lot going for them and still get it is huge. I think it's one of those where you don't really get what it's all about until you've had it. If I was to top myself I'd scale the Arthur and do a running long jump/swallow dive on to the pitch. You have to be over 250 feet to ensure you dont survive ...you might just end up getting put in a wheel chair for the rest of your life..now thats something that might get you down Truth is I doubt I'd have the balls to top myself. I can't begin to comprehend the thought processes one goes through. Top respect to volunteers at charities like Samaritans Nope it's not my name
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Quote suicideatselhurst at 06 Apr 2015 8.24pm

Quote Lucas Oliver at 06 Apr 2015 7.08pm

If I was to top myself I'd scale the Arthur and do a running long jump/swallow dive on to the pitch.

You have to be over 250 feet to ensure you dont survive ...you might just end up getting put in a wheel chair for the rest of your life..now thats something that might get you down

Truth is I doubt I'd have the balls to top myself. I can't begin to comprehend the thought processes one goes through. Top respect to volunteers at charities like Samaritans

Nope it's not my name

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Quote cpfccolin at 03 Apr 2015 6.51pm If everyone suffered with depression because their wife left them or they lost tier job, this would be a very sorry state of a country. Get over it grow a pair, we all have lost a job or a girlfriend or have a family member die its part of life. I am a self employed plumber/Multi-trader with a family I don't always have work every day or week, sometimes go a couple of months without work. I don't take pity on myself and start crying like a baby and say I feel depressed I have no work, quick let me run to the doctor and take a pill. I get on with life Are you a character from the Fast Show come to life? My username has nothing to do with my religious beliefs
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Quote cpfccolin at 03 Apr 2015 6.51pm

If everyone suffered with depression because their wife left them or they lost tier job, this would be a very sorry state of a country.

Get over it grow a pair, we all have lost a job or a girlfriend or have a family member die its part of life.

I am a self employed plumber/Multi-trader with a family I don't always have work every day or week, sometimes go a couple of months without work.

I don't take pity on myself and start crying like a baby and say I feel depressed I have no work, quick let me run to the doctor and take a pill.

I get on with life

Are you a character from the Fast Show come to life?

My username has nothing to do with my religious beliefs

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radsyrendot From Coventry now in Leicester 08 Apr 15 8.59am
cpfccolin is a character alright like Harold Lloyd He was a CLOWN also
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From Coventry now in Leicester 08 Apr 15 8.59am

cpfccolin is a character alright like Harold Lloyd He was a CLOWN also

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Kermit8 Hevon 08 Apr 15 10.58am
Quote radsyrendot at 08 Apr 2015 8.59am cpfccolin is a character alright like Harold Lloyd He was a CLOWN also I see him as a male version of Katie Hopkins. Big snout with lots of hot air coming out. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Quote radsyrendot at 08 Apr 2015 8.59am

cpfccolin is a character alright like Harold Lloyd He was a CLOWN also

I see him as a male version of Katie Hopkins. Big snout with lots of hot air coming out.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 08 Apr 15 11.52am
Quote cpfccolin at 03 Apr 2015 6.51pm If everyone suffered with depression because their wife left them or they lost tier job, this would be a very sorry state of a country. Get over it grow a pair, we all have lost a job or a girlfriend or have a family member die its part of life. I am a self employed plumber/Multi-trader with a family I don't always have work every day or week, sometimes go a couple of months without work. I don't take pity on myself and start crying like a baby and say I feel depressed I have no work, quick let me run to the doctor and take a pill. I get on with life Depression is horrible and it never leaves you, it's something that you "manage" Walking home from a friends in a reasonably good mood and then suddenly stopping and sitting on a bench, in spite of it pissing down not moving for hours because, what's the point? Bursting into tears, unable to say why (tears don't always = sad) Feelings of anxiety rushing up on you from nowhere. I've been literally mid sentence talking to someone laughing and joking and then boom it hits you. Even a song, in my case puff the Magic sodding Dragon, can send you into a spiral. Sounds stupid? maybe, but these things like a death or losing your job are triggers. I do my best to recognise and subsequently avoid them. I now do a lot of exercise, it helps a lot but I still get long periods of feeling melancholic. I've been off meds for 17 years. I am no longer self employed and I find that the structure of a PAYE job actually helps. Jamie, I have a lot of admiration for you to be able to maintain a self employed job whilst suffering from depression. One of the things that helped me turn my life around, being run over by a bus. For about 5 seconds, I thought I was dead. It made me realise that no matter how s*** I felt, I wasn't ready to leave just yet. I still get bouts of anxiety, mostly quite mild (fortunately) but every year or so I get a more serious one. There are unfortunately GPs who will quickly sign people off with Low Mood or Depression when actually they are just having a tough time. That doesn't mean that depression and anxiety are not very real conditions that can blight a persons life. I am quite fortunate that I don't get the bad times a lot of people get. Kudos to Seth for counselling and offering to help people on here. Top man. Lastly, Churchill wasn't a plumber but he did suffer from the "Black Dog" he did ok (Gallipoli aside ) the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Quote cpfccolin at 03 Apr 2015 6.51pm

If everyone suffered with depression because their wife left them or they lost tier job, this would be a very sorry state of a country.

Get over it grow a pair, we all have lost a job or a girlfriend or have a family member die its part of life.

I am a self employed plumber/Multi-trader with a family I don't always have work every day or week, sometimes go a couple of months without work.

I don't take pity on myself and start crying like a baby and say I feel depressed I have no work, quick let me run to the doctor and take a pill.

I get on with life

Depression is horrible and it never leaves you, it's something that you "manage"

Walking home from a friends in a reasonably good mood and then suddenly stopping and sitting on a bench, in spite of it pissing down not moving for hours because, what's the point?

Bursting into tears, unable to say why (tears don't always = sad)

Feelings of anxiety rushing up on you from nowhere. I've been literally mid sentence talking to someone laughing and joking and then boom it hits you.

Even a song, in my case puff the Magic sodding Dragon, can send you into a spiral. Sounds stupid? maybe, but these things like a death or losing your job are triggers. I do my best to recognise and subsequently avoid them.

I now do a lot of exercise, it helps a lot but I still get long periods of feeling melancholic. I've been off meds for 17 years. I am no longer self employed and I find that the structure of a PAYE job actually helps. Jamie, I have a lot of admiration for you to be able to maintain a self employed job whilst suffering from depression.

One of the things that helped me turn my life around, being run over by a bus. For about 5 seconds, I thought I was dead. It made me realise that no matter how s*** I felt, I wasn't ready to leave just yet. I still get bouts of anxiety, mostly quite mild (fortunately) but every year or so I get a more serious one.

There are unfortunately GPs who will quickly sign people off with Low Mood or Depression when actually they are just having a tough time. That doesn't mean that depression and anxiety are not very real conditions that can blight a persons life. I am quite fortunate that I don't get the bad times a lot of people get.

Kudos to Seth for counselling and offering to help people on here. Top man.

Lastly, Churchill wasn't a plumber but he did suffer from the "Black Dog" he did ok (Gallipoli aside )

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Red-Blue-Yellow Surrey 08 Apr 15 1.51pm
I have had several bouts of 'depression' (with variable characteristics, hence the inverted commas) over the last 45 years. I work a Signpost system....I have mental warning signs on all thought paths that lead to the 'cliff's edge'. It kind of works but it cannot stop those sudden unbidden thoughts or feeling that just come out of nowhere... Nor does it endear me to my partner ( she's got serious PTSD and OCD amongst other things) who needs to talk through her feelings. I try but I end up having to call a halt as I feel myself getting drawn into her situation. It's the fact that I never know, when I do cross the invisible line into a depressive state, whether I'm going to get the full run away/sleep/hide/don't eat/don't wash/etc stuff or - and this happens more as I age - will it turn to impatience/intolerance/anger/self harm/lashing out.....this is the one that scares me and why I increasingly avoid the topics that can trigger any sort of 'down' feelings. It's why I've not replied to this thread sooner. But today is a Good Day so I have. I also enjoy posting on: Love Everton Forum, the Acceptable Face of Scouse Football. [Link] twitter.com/LuvEvertonForum Come and give it a look, new members would be lovely. Come and JOIN. Or they'll nick your telly.
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I have had several bouts of 'depression' (with variable characteristics, hence the inverted commas) over the last 45 years.
I work a Signpost system....I have mental warning signs on all thought paths that lead to the 'cliff's edge'.
It kind of works but it cannot stop those sudden unbidden thoughts or feeling that just come out of nowhere...
Nor does it endear me to my partner ( she's got serious PTSD and OCD amongst other things) who needs to talk through her feelings. I try but I end up having to call a halt as I feel myself getting drawn into her situation.
It's the fact that I never know, when I do cross the invisible line into a depressive state, whether I'm going to get the full run away/sleep/hide/don't eat/don't wash/etc stuff or - and this happens more as I age - will it turn to impatience/intolerance/anger/self harm/lashing out.....this is the one that scares me and why I increasingly avoid the topics that can trigger any sort of 'down' feelings. It's why I've not replied to this thread sooner. But today is a Good Day so I have.

I also enjoy posting on: Love Everton Forum, the Acceptable Face of Scouse Football.
[Link]
twitter.com/LuvEvertonForum
Come and give it a look, new members would be lovely.
Come and JOIN.
Or they'll nick your telly.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Apr 15 2.35pm
Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 08 Apr 2015 1.51pm I have had several bouts of 'depression' (with variable characteristics, hence the inverted commas) over the last 45 years. I work a Signpost system....I have mental warning signs on all thought paths that lead to the 'cliff's edge'. It kind of works but it cannot stop those sudden unbidden thoughts or feeling that just come out of nowhere... Nor does it endear me to my partner ( she's got serious PTSD and OCD amongst other things) who needs to talk through her feelings. I try but I end up having to call a halt as I feel myself getting drawn into her situation. It's the fact that I never know, when I do cross the invisible line into a depressive state, whether I'm going to get the full run away/sleep/hide/don't eat/don't wash/etc stuff or - and this happens more as I age - will it turn to impatience/intolerance/anger/self harm/lashing out.....this is the one that scares me and why I increasingly avoid the topics that can trigger any sort of 'down' feelings. It's why I've not replied to this thread sooner. But today is a Good Day so I have. I feel for you, I find it almost impossible to talk about other peoples feelings, its difficult enough understanding my own. Talking through feelings, mine or others, is something I find just frustrates me no end. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 08 Apr 2015 1.51pm

I feel for you, I find it almost impossible to talk about other peoples feelings, its difficult enough understanding my own. Talking through feelings, mine or others, is something I find just frustrates me no end.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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iheartcpfc SE25 08 Apr 15 8.48pm
Wonder how many people would change their minds re depression if one day they woke up and no longer enjoyed any of their hobbies, interests, struggle to laugh at their favourite comedians, can barely get out of bed and shower as it just feels like so much work, can't seek help thanks to the accompanying anxiety, lose their appetites, feel permanently fatigued, can't even concentrate when trying to read a book or newspaper and sometimes just can't see the point of living anymore with all the guilt and stress they're going through. There's a lot of misunderstanding of depression in the UK. When a famous person commits suicide, some will give it the usual "we must do more for depressed people" on facebook or something and then forget all about it. Some just completely miss the point and call the victim selfish or downplay their illness. As someone with depression (not suicidal but it has a huge impact on my life, ruining my school progress and leaving me with nothing) I hope it changes soon. It is an illness and should be given the respect it commands. Edited by iheartcpfc (08 Apr 2015 8.48pm)
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Wonder how many people would change their minds re depression if one day they woke up and no longer enjoyed any of their hobbies, interests, struggle to laugh at their favourite comedians, can barely get out of bed and shower as it just feels like so much work, can't seek help thanks to the accompanying anxiety, lose their appetites, feel permanently fatigued, can't even concentrate when trying to read a book or newspaper and sometimes just can't see the point of living anymore with all the guilt and stress they're going through.

There's a lot of misunderstanding of depression in the UK. When a famous person commits suicide, some will give it the usual "we must do more for depressed people" on facebook or something and then forget all about it. Some just completely miss the point and call the victim selfish or downplay their illness. As someone with depression (not suicidal but it has a huge impact on my life, ruining my school progress and leaving me with nothing) I hope it changes soon. It is an illness and should be given the respect it commands.

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rednblue4eva Norwood 08 Apr 15 9.48pm
Katie Hopkins has made a number of tweets about depression, including: 'Most depression is just genuine sadness at a social situation. Like being caught in torrential rain with a bag from Primark.'
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Norwood 08 Apr 15 9.48pm

Katie Hopkins has made a number of tweets about depression, including: 'Most depression is just genuine sadness at a social situation. Like being caught in torrential rain with a bag from Primark.'

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iheartcpfc SE25 08 Apr 15 9.56pm
Quote rednblue4eva at 08 Apr 2015 9.48pm Katie Hopkins has made a number of tweets about depression, including: 'Most depression is just genuine sadness at a social situation. Like being caught in torrential rain with a bag from Primark.' That attention seeking old bint should just be ignored. She'll go away one day
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Quote rednblue4eva at 08 Apr 2015 9.48pm

Katie Hopkins has made a number of tweets about depression, including: 'Most depression is just genuine sadness at a social situation. Like being caught in torrential rain with a bag from Primark.'

That attention seeking old bint should just be ignored. She'll go away one day

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