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kenbarr Flag Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 15 Apr 14 8.55pm Send a Private Message to kenbarr Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add kenbarr as a friend

The folks I feel for are the abused Cardiff City FC "Bluebirds" supporters. They get this guy in as owner who totally trashes the club's identity, undermines and then fires the best manager they've ever had and allows the architect of that side to leave and then, when things go predictably wrong, chooses to blame everyone else instead of taking a good hard look in the mirror. Tan makes Venkys look positively enlightened. If someone knows how to get in touch with their Supporters Club, suggest that they take a page out of Blackburn's book and find the appropriate barnyard animal to let loose at the next home match.

 

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indianapalace85 Flag Bromley 15 Apr 14 9.15pm Send a Private Message to indianapalace85 Add indianapalace85 as a friend

Who's more likely to be telling the truth?
Parish and Moody who run a proper football club and run it well, or Vincent Tan with his stupid high trousers, crap ethos, retraction of the player bonus, due to NOT KNOWING THE RULES and someone who doesn't know what the offside rule is?

 
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crystal-purley Flag Purley 15 Apr 14 9.17pm Send a Private Message to crystal-purley Add crystal-purley as a friend

Quote Mapletree at 15 Apr 2014 8.37pm

Right, now found out that Moody was paid off and did sign a Settlement Agreement.

That's a bit of a pity......


Not an expert but I would guess that the agreement would refer to knowledge already held although it might have a non contact clause too, but then would just be a civil case (although still enough for the FA to act). West Ham had two players purchased illegally and still survived, I think the Fa generally acts in a big club small club way so I am a little worried about this even though theoretically it SHOULD only cost us 3 points.


 

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glazedallover Flag Allier 15 Apr 14 9.21pm Send a Private Message to glazedallover Add glazedallover as a friend

So basically nobody here knows if we should be worried or not.

How soon are the FA likely to rule on any possible penalties financial or otherwise?

 
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Petereagle Flag Brockley 15 Apr 14 9.37pm Send a Private Message to Petereagle Add Petereagle as a friend

Quote Everlast at 15 Apr 2014 8.27pm

This is a complete waste of everyone's time. As Caulker said, this is an issue that has been going on at Cardiff all season.

Maybe Cardiff and Tan in particular are trying everything they can to drag a relegation rival into the mire?

 
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Icepick Tony Flag Chester 15 Apr 14 9.43pm Send a Private Message to Icepick Tony Add Icepick Tony as a friend

I can't see an issue, if he did, so what? It's pretty standard for players who move clubs etc. To give their pals a text about the squad if they happen to face each other soon after. I think what Brighton did before the playoffs is far worse and what happened there? The FA must surely investigate as they've been asked to and then say, that's football. Anything else and money has changed hands.

 

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The Perm of Doris Flag SE19 in spirit 15 Apr 14 9.43pm Send a Private Message to The Perm of Doris Add The Perm of Doris as a friend

Quote crystal-purley at 15 Apr 2014 9.17pm

Quote Mapletree at 15 Apr 2014 8.37pm

Right, now found out that Moody was paid off and did sign a Settlement Agreement.

That's a bit of a pity......


Not an expert but I would guess that the agreement would refer to knowledge already held although it might have a non contact clause too, but then would just be a civil case (although still enough for the FA to act). West Ham had two players purchased illegally and still survived, I think the Fa generally acts in a big club small club way so I am a little worried about this even though theoretically it SHOULD only cost us 3 points.



Wouldn't any agreement of this type relate to Moody as an individual rather than his new employer? So any action would then be taken against Moody. If so this doesn't really add up when you consider that it's Palace that have been complained about. Makes me think this settlement agreement may be a side issue as far as the club is concerned.

 

We've gotta protect our phoney baloney jobs.

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 15 Apr 14 10.03pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Quote The Perm of Doris at 15 Apr 2014 9.43pm

Quote crystal-purley at 15 Apr 2014 9.17pm

Quote Mapletree at 15 Apr 2014 8.37pm

Right, now found out that Moody was paid off and did sign a Settlement Agreement.

That's a bit of a pity......


Not an expert but I would guess that the agreement would refer to knowledge already held although it might have a non contact clause too, but then would just be a civil case (although still enough for the FA to act). West Ham had two players purchased illegally and still survived, I think the Fa generally acts in a big club small club way so I am a little worried about this even though theoretically it SHOULD only cost us 3 points.



Wouldn't any agreement of this type relate to Moody as an individual rather than his new employer? So any action would then be taken against Moody. If so this doesn't really add up when you consider that it's Palace that have been complained about. Makes me think this settlement agreement may be a side issue as far as the club is concerned.


As I said above, it is likely that the old employer would join the new employer to any claim it would make. The logic is that the new employer is liable if it knows about an infringement and does nothing to stop it or, worse, encourages it. Standard employment law.

But, as I also said above, the old employer would be put to proof regarding its loss. In such circumstances it is extremely hard to demonstrate any loss, who can say what would have happened without the breach of confidentiality.

Edited by Mapletree (15 Apr 2014 10.06pm)

 
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The Perm of Doris Flag SE19 in spirit 15 Apr 14 10.08pm Send a Private Message to The Perm of Doris Add The Perm of Doris as a friend

Quote Mapletree at 15 Apr 2014 10.03pm

Quote The Perm of Doris at 15 Apr 2014 9.43pm

Quote crystal-purley at 15 Apr 2014 9.17pm

Quote Mapletree at 15 Apr 2014 8.37pm

Right, now found out that Moody was paid off and did sign a Settlement Agreement.

That's a bit of a pity......


Not an expert but I would guess that the agreement would refer to knowledge already held although it might have a non contact clause too, but then would just be a civil case (although still enough for the FA to act). West Ham had two players purchased illegally and still survived, I think the Fa generally acts in a big club small club way so I am a little worried about this even though theoretically it SHOULD only cost us 3 points.



Wouldn't any agreement of this type relate to Moody as an individual rather than his new employer? So any action would then be taken against Moody. If so this doesn't really add up when you consider that it's Palace that have been complained about. Makes me think this settlement agreement may be a side issue as far as the club is concerned.


As I said above, it is likely that the old employer would join the new employer to any claim it would make. The logic is that the new employer is liable if it knows about an infringement and does nothing to stop it or, worse, encourages it. Standard employment law.

But, as I also said above, the old employer would be put to proof regarding its loss. In such circumstances it is extremely hard to demonstrate any loss, who can say what would have happened without the breach of confidentiality.

Edited by Mapletree (15 Apr 2014 10.06pm)

Right. Ok I get it now.

 

We've gotta protect our phoney baloney jobs.

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The Perm of Doris Flag SE19 in spirit 15 Apr 14 10.11pm Send a Private Message to The Perm of Doris Add The Perm of Doris as a friend

Quote The Perm of Doris at 15 Apr 2014 10.08pm

Quote Mapletree at 15 Apr 2014 10.03pm

Quote The Perm of Doris at 15 Apr 2014 9.43pm

Quote crystal-purley at 15 Apr 2014 9.17pm

Quote Mapletree at 15 Apr 2014 8.37pm

Right, now found out that Moody was paid off and did sign a Settlement Agreement.

That's a bit of a pity......


Not an expert but I would guess that the agreement would refer to knowledge already held although it might have a non contact clause too, but then would just be a civil case (although still enough for the FA to act). West Ham had two players purchased illegally and still survived, I think the Fa generally acts in a big club small club way so I am a little worried about this even though theoretically it SHOULD only cost us 3 points.



Wouldn't any agreement of this type relate to Moody as an individual rather than his new employer? So any action would then be taken against Moody. If so this doesn't really add up when you consider that it's Palace that have been complained about. Makes me think this settlement agreement may be a side issue as far as the club is concerned.


As I said above, it is likely that the old employer would join the new employer to any claim it would make. The logic is that the new employer is liable if it knows about an infringement and does nothing to stop it or, worse, encourages it. Standard employment law.

But, as I also said above, the old employer would be put to proof regarding its loss. In such circumstances it is extremely hard to demonstrate any loss, who can say what would have happened without the breach of confidentiality.

Edited by Mapletree (15 Apr 2014 10.06pm)

Right. Ok I get it now.

Has any settlement agreement been mentioned in the press? Not as far as I know. You'd think it would've been wouldn't you.

 

We've gotta protect our phoney baloney jobs.

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 15 Apr 14 10.37pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Quote The Perm of Doris at 15 Apr 2014 10.11pm

Quote The Perm of Doris at 15 Apr 2014 10.08pm

Quote Mapletree at 15 Apr 2014 10.03pm

Quote The Perm of Doris at 15 Apr 2014 9.43pm

Quote crystal-purley at 15 Apr 2014 9.17pm

Quote Mapletree at 15 Apr 2014 8.37pm

Right, now found out that Moody was paid off and did sign a Settlement Agreement.

That's a bit of a pity......


Not an expert but I would guess that the agreement would refer to knowledge already held although it might have a non contact clause too, but then would just be a civil case (although still enough for the FA to act). West Ham had two players purchased illegally and still survived, I think the Fa generally acts in a big club small club way so I am a little worried about this even though theoretically it SHOULD only cost us 3 points.



Wouldn't any agreement of this type relate to Moody as an individual rather than his new employer? So any action would then be taken against Moody. If so this doesn't really add up when you consider that it's Palace that have been complained about. Makes me think this settlement agreement may be a side issue as far as the club is concerned.


As I said above, it is likely that the old employer would join the new employer to any claim it would make. The logic is that the new employer is liable if it knows about an infringement and does nothing to stop it or, worse, encourages it. Standard employment law.

But, as I also said above, the old employer would be put to proof regarding its loss. In such circumstances it is extremely hard to demonstrate any loss, who can say what would have happened without the breach of confidentiality.

Edited by Mapletree (15 Apr 2014 10.06pm)

Right. Ok I get it now.

Has any settlement agreement been mentioned in the press? Not as far as I know. You'd think it would've been wouldn't you.


They are confidential by their nature. The Cardiff City fans forum quoted an agreement at the time he left and assumed he got a big payoff.

 
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europalace Flag Europe 15 Apr 14 11.05pm Send a Private Message to europalace Add europalace as a friend

A pointless thread as no one here knows what went on in this situation, if anything. All the thread is achieving is growing a pointless rumour that could harm the club. Stop discussing it now without any concrete information otherwise it will only damage the club.

 
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