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Badger11 Beckenham 06 Jun 21 6.36pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Surely the bottom line is how many people die? How long it takes is less important than how many die within a time frame. Any number of obese people are allowed to eat McDonalds or any other fast food seven days a week if they decide to. Alcoholics can go to the pub, diabetics can eat cake. I should imagine the deaths from heart conditions created from these actions are huge every year....much higher than for a virus that mainly kills the already ill. If the idea is that huge numbers of people are dying of something and that it must be tackled then questions on past policy are there to be asked. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2021 6.28pm) Most of these are personal choices which the individual should be aware has consequences. Catching COVID is not a personal choice so until all adults have been offered the jab there is a risk. Once this has been completed those that choose not to well it's on their head. Edited by Badger11 (06 Jun 2021 6.36pm) One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 06 Jun 21 6.36pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Surely the bottom line is how many people die? How long it takes is less important than how many die within a time frame.

Any number of obese people are allowed to eat McDonalds or any other fast food seven days a week if they decide to. Alcoholics can go to the pub, diabetics can eat cake.

I should imagine the deaths from heart conditions created from these actions are huge every year....much higher than for a virus that mainly kills the already ill.

If the idea is that huge numbers of people are dying of something and that it must be tackled then questions on past policy are there to be asked.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2021 6.28pm)

Most of these are personal choices which the individual should be aware has consequences.

Catching COVID is not a personal choice so until all adults have been offered the jab there is a risk. Once this has been completed those that choose not to well it's on their head.

Edited by Badger11 (06 Jun 2021 6.36pm)

One more point

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Jun 21 6.37pm
Yes,case numbers have been rising which was expected. Despite the rise in cases, hospital admissions have been falling steadily. The death numbers are greatly reduced. Vaccines are working, so stop moving the darned goalposts and end restrictions as planned.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Jun 21 6.37pm

Yes,case numbers have been rising which was expected.
Despite the rise in cases, hospital admissions have been falling steadily.
The death numbers are greatly reduced.
Vaccines are working, so stop moving the darned goalposts and end restrictions as planned.

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Stirlingsays 06 Jun 21 6.40pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Most of these are personal choices which the individual should be aware has consequences. Catching COVID is not a personal choice so until all adults have been offered the jab there is a risk. Once this has been completed those that choose not to well it's on their head. Edited by Badger11 (06 Jun 2021 6.36pm) Why is the choice aspect that important? Especially when the elites decide to remove choice. Surely what's important is the number of deaths....Well, that's what seemed to be important to them anyway. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2021 6.52pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

06 Jun 21 6.40pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Most of these are personal choices which the individual should be aware has consequences.

Catching COVID is not a personal choice so until all adults have been offered the jab there is a risk. Once this has been completed those that choose not to well it's on their head.

Edited by Badger11 (06 Jun 2021 6.36pm)

Why is the choice aspect that important? Especially when the elites decide to remove choice.

Surely what's important is the number of deaths....Well, that's what seemed to be important to them anyway.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2021 6.52pm)

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 06 Jun 21 8.42pm
Originally posted by cryrst I wasn't trying to bicker J. I was putting a number on a reversal scenario. The point is if deaths reach 50 a day it would be a 100 then 200 and rising. Its exponential and will clearly mean something will need doing. Personally I think we've got it done in the UK so imo the above is not going to happen but its good to talk No I know that, I was merely saying in a roundabout way that do we wait until there are absolutely Zero cases. It appears from my view that the vast majority of people have played by the rules Re Masks, Lock Downs, Jabs Etc. How many more times can the government keep kicking the can down the street? This Bulls*** has to stop,NOW!! Pro USA & Israel
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Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 06 Jun 21 8.42pm

Originally posted by cryrst

I wasn't trying to bicker J.
I was putting a number on a reversal scenario. The point is if deaths reach 50 a day it would be a 100 then 200 and rising. Its exponential and will clearly mean something will need doing.
Personally I think we've got it done in the UK so imo the above is not going to happen but its good to talk

No I know that, I was merely saying in a roundabout way that do we wait until there are absolutely Zero cases.
It appears from my view that the vast majority of people have played by the rules Re Masks, Lock Downs, Jabs Etc.
How many more times can the government keep kicking the can down the street?
This Bulls*** has to stop,NOW!!

Pro USA & Israel

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Winter_Raven London 06 Jun 21 9.30pm
Maybe if people actually researched for themselves they would understand this situation. And let's not call it a 'vaccine' it's not a 'vaccine' if you know your stuff you'd know this too. Stop the madness, stop the fear mongering and live a life. Edited by Winter_Raven (06 Jun 2021 9.31pm)
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Winter_Raven

London 06 Jun 21 9.30pm

Maybe if people actually researched for themselves they would understand this situation.

And let's not call it a 'vaccine' it's not a 'vaccine' if you know your stuff you'd know this too.

Stop the madness, stop the fear mongering and live a life.

Edited by Winter_Raven (06 Jun 2021 9.31pm)

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DanH SW2 06 Jun 21 9.31pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Most of these are personal choices which the individual should be aware has consequences. Catching COVID is not a personal choice so until all adults have been offered the jab there is a risk. Once this has been completed those that choose not to well it's on their head. Edited by Badger11 (06 Jun 2021 6.36pm) Quite. One thing Covid has done for me is highlight just how selfish some people are. All the measures aren’t designed to protect you as a person, it’s to protect other people and the wider population. If Covid was something that was purely down to your own behaviour as to whether you caught it or not and it did not impact others then people could do as they please. Some people still only see their own inconveniences and act like spoilt children. No one has enjoyed these restrictions but at least the vast majority understand they have been for the greater good.
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DanH

SW2 06 Jun 21 9.31pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Most of these are personal choices which the individual should be aware has consequences.

Catching COVID is not a personal choice so until all adults have been offered the jab there is a risk. Once this has been completed those that choose not to well it's on their head.

Edited by Badger11 (06 Jun 2021 6.36pm)

Quite. One thing Covid has done for me is highlight just how selfish some people are. All the measures aren’t designed to protect you as a person, it’s to protect other people and the wider population. If Covid was something that was purely down to your own behaviour as to whether you caught it or not and it did not impact others then people could do as they please. Some people still only see their own inconveniences and act like spoilt children. No one has enjoyed these restrictions but at least the vast majority understand they have been for the greater good.

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Stirlingsays 06 Jun 21 10.01pm
Originally posted by DanH Quite. One thing Covid has done for me is highlight just how selfish some people are. All the measures aren’t designed to protect you as a person, it’s to protect other people and the wider population. If Covid was something that was purely down to your own behaviour as to whether you caught it or not and it did not impact others then people could do as they please. Some people still only see their own inconveniences and act like spoilt children. No one has enjoyed these restrictions but at least the vast majority understand they have been for the greater good. Correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that you can still infect others if you have had the vaccine. The main benefit being that you as the individual have far less chance of dying. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

06 Jun 21 10.01pm

Originally posted by DanH

Quite. One thing Covid has done for me is highlight just how selfish some people are. All the measures aren’t designed to protect you as a person, it’s to protect other people and the wider population. If Covid was something that was purely down to your own behaviour as to whether you caught it or not and it did not impact others then people could do as they please. Some people still only see their own inconveniences and act like spoilt children. No one has enjoyed these restrictions but at least the vast majority understand they have been for the greater good.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that you can still infect others if you have had the vaccine.

The main benefit being that you as the individual have far less chance of dying.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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BlueJay UK 06 Jun 21 10.21pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that you can still infect others if you have had the vaccine. The main benefit being that you as the individual have far less chance of dying. It was my understanding that people are less likely to contract and also spread the virus if they are vaccinated. There's more data out there over time (especially from Israel and the like, but elsewhere too). As for your other point, I certainly agree that deaths are the most important component, I was just highlighting that it being a virus, and due to how viruses tend to spread, it somewhat makes parallels to obesity, alcohol and the like ill fitting comparisons.
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BlueJay

UK 06 Jun 21 10.21pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that you can still infect others if you have had the vaccine.

The main benefit being that you as the individual have far less chance of dying.

It was my understanding that people are less likely to contract and also spread the virus if they are vaccinated. There's more data out there over time (especially from Israel and the like, but elsewhere too).

As for your other point, I certainly agree that deaths are the most important component, I was just highlighting that it being a virus, and due to how viruses tend to spread, it somewhat makes parallels to obesity, alcohol and the like ill fitting comparisons.

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DanH SW2 06 Jun 21 10.23pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that you can still infect others if you have had the vaccine. The main benefit being that you as the individual have far less chance of dying. You can still carry the virus but all data so far suggests that you carry a lower viral load so is a much weaker version and people are less transmissible. So getting vaccinated protects yourself and others. No brainer.
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DanH

SW2 06 Jun 21 10.23pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that you can still infect others if you have had the vaccine.

The main benefit being that you as the individual have far less chance of dying.

You can still carry the virus but all data so far suggests that you carry a lower viral load so is a much weaker version and people are less transmissible. So getting vaccinated protects yourself and others. No brainer.

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Stirlingsays 06 Jun 21 10.30pm
Originally posted by DanH You can still carry the virus but all data so far suggests that you carry a lower viral load so is a much weaker version and people are less transmissible. So getting vaccinated protects yourself and others. No brainer. So you can still transmit the virus, of which people can still die from it.....but you have far less chance of dying yourself. Thanks for the clarification....and this is no criticism of those that take the vaccine. But please, feel free to inform me of your next selfless act. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2021 10.31pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

06 Jun 21 10.30pm

Originally posted by DanH

So you can still transmit the virus, of which people can still die from it.....but you have far less chance of dying yourself.

Thanks for the clarification....and this is no criticism of those that take the vaccine.

But please, feel free to inform me of your next selfless act.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2021 10.31pm)

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DanH SW2 06 Jun 21 10.35pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays So you can still transmit the virus, of which people can still die from it.....but you have far less chance of dying yourself. Thanks for the clarification....and this is no criticism of those that take the vaccine. But please, feel free to inform me of your next selfless act. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2021 10.31pm) ? Bizarre. You carry a much weaker version of it so anything passed on will be much weaker. This is what vaccines do. It’s science. It’s remarkable. This is how we get the herd immunity that you always wanted. I take it you haven’t had the vaccine then?
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DanH

SW2 06 Jun 21 10.35pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So you can still transmit the virus, of which people can still die from it.....but you have far less chance of dying yourself.

Thanks for the clarification....and this is no criticism of those that take the vaccine.

But please, feel free to inform me of your next selfless act.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2021 10.31pm)

Bizarre. You carry a much weaker version of it so anything passed on will be much weaker. This is what vaccines do. It’s science. It’s remarkable.

This is how we get the herd immunity that you always wanted.

I take it you haven’t had the vaccine then?

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Stirlingsays 06 Jun 21 10.39pm
Originally posted by BlueJay It was my understanding that people are less likely to contract and also spread the virus if they are vaccinated. There's more data out there over time (especially from Israel and the like, but elsewhere too). As for your other point, I certainly agree that deaths are the most important component, I was just highlighting that it being a virus, and due to how viruses tend to spread, it somewhat makes parallels to obesity, alcohol and the like ill fitting comparisons. Sure, I'm just looking at the deaths, independent of the means and querying as to whether how the government response to this is in any proportion to how they respond to other far larger mass killers. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

06 Jun 21 10.39pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

Sure, I'm just looking at the deaths, independent of the means and querying as to whether how the government response to this is in any proportion to how they respond to other far larger mass killers.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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