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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Jun 21 9.28am
Since justification for the restrictions was to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed, that is the measure that matters. Hospital admissions are down, death numbers are greatly decreased and of course the vaccine roll-out has been hugely successful and continues at a pace. If we abandon the timetable (21st June) on the basis that some unexpectedly bad thing might happen in the future then, by definition, we are giving up on ever reopening.There are forever going to be variants,mutants of variants,mutants of mutants of variants and all that pilaver. Politicians in thrall to doom-mongers and the knock-on effect of continuing restrictions is quite horrendous. Edited by Willo (06 Jun 2021 9.31am)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Jun 21 9.28am

Since justification for the restrictions was to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed, that is the measure that matters.
Hospital admissions are down, death numbers are greatly
decreased and of course the vaccine roll-out has been hugely successful and continues at a pace.

If we abandon the timetable (21st June) on the basis that some unexpectedly bad thing might happen in the future then, by definition, we are giving up on ever reopening.There are forever going to be variants,mutants of variants,mutants of mutants of variants and all that pilaver.

Politicians in thrall to doom-mongers and the knock-on effect of continuing restrictions is quite horrendous.

Edited by Willo (06 Jun 2021 9.31am)

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YT Oxford 06 Jun 21 1.22pm
Why don't we have a referendum on the way forward? That'll sort it!! Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 06 Jun 21 1.22pm

Why don't we have a referendum on the way forward? That'll sort it!!

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 06 Jun 21 1.35pm
It's a huge big con job. If vaccines don't work, lock downs don't work and masks don't work what's the point. It's a scam............ Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 06 Jun 21 1.35pm

It's a huge big con job. If vaccines don't work, lock downs don't work and masks don't work what's the point. It's a scam............

Pro USA & Israel

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 06 Jun 21 1.44pm
Originally posted by Helmet46 The fault lays firmly at the feet of the Govt, for not acting sooner, and those that travelled - for going in the first place and then finding imaginative ways to come back to avoid the inevitable quarantine. This wave and the current increases has galvanised my thinking that, as soon as I can, I will leave this country. (Don’t know where I’ll go, or when I can - but got to get out of here. Maybe an island of my own somewhere). This is not “with hindsight” - this time around it was obvious and clear exactly what would happen, yet the Govt chose to ignore the logic and the signs for weeks. UEFA are equally as ridiculous for holding the champions league final between 2 British teams in Porto and our Govt for allowing it to happen. There are far too many fing idiots in this world, walking amongst us, in my opinion.* ^^^ Spot on. Covid should be more discriminatory in those it terminates I disengage, I turn the page.
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Originally posted by Helmet46

The fault lays firmly at the feet of the Govt, for not acting sooner, and those that travelled - for going in the first place and then finding imaginative ways to come back to avoid the inevitable quarantine.
This wave and the current increases has galvanised my thinking that, as soon as I can, I will leave this country. (Don’t know where I’ll go, or when I can - but got to get out of here. Maybe an island of my own somewhere). This is not “with hindsight” - this time around it was obvious and clear exactly what would happen, yet the Govt chose to ignore the logic and the signs for weeks.
UEFA are equally as ridiculous for holding the champions league final between 2 British teams in Porto and our Govt for allowing it to happen. There are far too many f***ing idiots in this world, walking amongst us, in my opinion.

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Spot on. Covid should be more discriminatory in those it terminates

I disengage, I turn the page.

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cryrst The garden of England 06 Jun 21 2.56pm
Hmg need to settle on a death rate sadly. Maybe if it goes above 50 a day lockdown to stop the spread at least. That way the people will police it in the way it needs policing. Stern advice to those who break the rules. Power to the people as wolfie said.
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The garden of England 06 Jun 21 2.56pm

Hmg need to settle on a death rate sadly.
Maybe if it goes above 50 a day lockdown to stop the spread at least. That way the people will police it in the way it needs policing.
Stern advice to those who break the rules.
Power to the people as wolfie said.

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Eden Eagle Kent 06 Jun 21 3.22pm
The beauty of Johnson & Hancock scheme is that “freedom” is linked to having no variants of concern so bang on time the “Indian variant “ pops up, testing is massively increased, PCR sensitivity adjusted to create more “cases” and surprise surprise we need to be cautious and delay the unlocking. This can be done effectively for ever and people still believe them... Take a look at Texas & Florida - no lockdowns, masks, SD, full stadiums for sporting venues and no issues?
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Kent 06 Jun 21 3.22pm

The beauty of Johnson & Hancock scheme is that “freedom” is linked to having no variants of concern so bang on time the “Indian variant “ pops up, testing is massively increased, PCR sensitivity adjusted to create more “cases” and surprise surprise we need to be cautious and delay the unlocking.

This can be done effectively for ever and people still believe them...

Take a look at Texas & Florida - no lockdowns, masks, SD, full stadiums for sporting venues and no issues?

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 06 Jun 21 4.19pm
Originally posted by cryrst Hmg need to settle on a death rate sadly. Maybe if it goes above 50 a day lockdown to stop the spread at least. That way the people will police it in the way it needs policing. Stern advice to those who break the rules. Power to the people as wolfie said. I would imagine a 100 X more people die of Tobacco related illnesses in the UK, do you ban tobacco or suspend sales until it drops below that figure. Madness It's over, open up & lets get back to normal. It's political shenanigans now. Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 06 Jun 21 4.19pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Hmg need to settle on a death rate sadly.
Maybe if it goes above 50 a day lockdown to stop the spread at least. That way the people will police it in the way it needs policing.
Stern advice to those who break the rules.
Power to the people as wolfie said.

I would imagine a 100 X more people die of Tobacco related illnesses in the UK, do you ban tobacco or suspend sales until it drops below that figure.
Madness It's over, open up & lets get back to normal.
It's political shenanigans now.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Jun 21 4.56pm
Originally posted by Jimenez I would imagine a 100 X more people die of Tobacco related illnesses in the UK, do you ban tobacco or suspend sales until it drops below that figure. Madness It's over, open up & lets get back to normal. It's political shenanigans now. Whilst virus case numbers are increasing, which was expected,hospitalisations and deaths remain stable thanks to the success of the vaccination programme which has been a huge success. There are always going to be variants and mutations etc etc and politicians cannot be in-thrall to doom-mongering scientists and advisers who would have us locked down for ever.We are falling into the trap of an unattainable 'Zero Covid' strategy. Edited by Willo (06 Jun 2021 4.58pm)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Jun 21 4.56pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

Whilst virus case numbers are increasing, which was expected,hospitalisations and deaths remain stable thanks to the success of the vaccination programme which has been a huge success.

There are always going to be variants and mutations etc etc and politicians cannot be in-thrall to doom-mongering scientists and advisers who would have us locked down for ever.We are falling into the trap of an unattainable 'Zero Covid' strategy.

Edited by Willo (06 Jun 2021 4.58pm)

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cryrst The garden of England 06 Jun 21 5.31pm
Originally posted by Jimenez I would imagine a 100 X more people die of Tobacco related illnesses in the UK, do you ban tobacco or suspend sales until it drops below that figure. Madness It's over, open up & lets get back to normal. It's political shenanigans now. I wasn't trying to bicker J. I was putting a number on a reversal scenario. The point is if deaths reach 50 a day it would be a 100 then 200 and rising. Its exponential and will clearly mean something will need doing. Personally I think we've got it done in the UK so imo the above is not going to happen but its good to talk
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The garden of England 06 Jun 21 5.31pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

I wasn't trying to bicker J.
I was putting a number on a reversal scenario. The point is if deaths reach 50 a day it would be a 100 then 200 and rising. Its exponential and will clearly mean something will need doing.
Personally I think we've got it done in the UK so imo the above is not going to happen but its good to talk

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BlueJay UK 06 Jun 21 6.13pm
Originally posted by Jimenez I would imagine a 100 X more people die of Tobacco related illnesses in the UK, do you ban tobacco or suspend sales until it drops below that figure. Madness It's over, open up & lets get back to normal. It's political shenanigans now. Most people dying of smoking have smoked for several decades prior to illness or death so it's not really comparable to the spread of a virus or how to act during it. Realistically hospitalisation and death numbers are the primary important factors to keep an eye on with covid, rather than case numbers, so it's certainly relevant. So far in this department things are looking good (due to the number of people vaccinated). Edited by BlueJay (06 Jun 2021 6.14pm)
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Originally posted by Jimenez

Most people dying of smoking have smoked for several decades prior to illness or death so it's not really comparable to the spread of a virus or how to act during it. Realistically hospitalisation and death numbers are the primary important factors to keep an eye on with covid, rather than case numbers, so it's certainly relevant. So far in this department things are looking good (due to the number of people vaccinated).

Edited by BlueJay (06 Jun 2021 6.14pm)

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Stirlingsays 06 Jun 21 6.27pm
Originally posted by BlueJay Most people dying of smoking have smoked for several decades prior to illness or death so it's not really comparable to the spread of a virus or how to act during it. Realistically hospitalisation and death numbers are the primary important factors to keep an eye on with covid, rather than case numbers, so it's certainly relevant. So far in this department things are looking good (due to the number of people vaccinated). Edited by BlueJay (06 Jun 2021 6.14pm) Surely the bottom line is how many people die? How long it takes is less important than how many die within a time frame. Any number of obese people are allowed to eat McDonalds or any other fast food seven days a week if they decide to. Alcoholics can go to the pub, diabetics can eat cake. I should imagine the deaths from heart conditions created from these actions are huge every year....much higher than for a virus that mainly kills the already ill. If the idea is that huge numbers of people are dying of something and that it must be tackled then questions on past policy are there to be asked. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2021 6.28pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Jun 21 6.27pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

Most people dying of smoking have smoked for several decades prior to illness or death so it's not really comparable to the spread of a virus or how to act during it. Realistically hospitalisation and death numbers are the primary important factors to keep an eye on with covid, rather than case numbers, so it's certainly relevant. So far in this department things are looking good (due to the number of people vaccinated).

Edited by BlueJay (06 Jun 2021 6.14pm)

Surely the bottom line is how many people die? How long it takes is less important than how many die within a time frame.

Any number of obese people are allowed to eat McDonalds or any other fast food seven days a week if they decide to. Alcoholics can go to the pub, diabetics can eat cake.

I should imagine the deaths from heart conditions created from these actions are huge every year....much higher than for a virus that mainly kills the already ill.

If the idea is that huge numbers of people are dying of something and that it must be tackled then questions on past policy are there to be asked.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2021 6.28pm)

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YT Oxford 06 Jun 21 6.34pm
Originally posted by Jimenez It's a huge big con job. If vaccines don't work, lock downs don't work and masks don't work what's the point. It's a scam............ Vaccines do work. Are you not aware that the whole world is clamouring for the likes of the UK to dish the vaccine out to them? Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Originally posted by Jimenez

It's a huge big con job. If vaccines don't work, lock downs don't work and masks don't work what's the point. It's a scam............

Vaccines do work. Are you not aware that the whole world is clamouring for the likes of the UK to dish the vaccine out to them?

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