Nigel Farage might as well have a full-time gig on the BBC the amount he is on there.

One of the left's greatest achievements has been to move the centre ground to the left. Politicians today that are considered right wing would have been seen as centrists back in the day.

The average Tory member is far more "right wing" than the average Tory MP. This is why the party needs to be defeated soundly. They are simply not listening to their members it's a joke some are called right wing and Nazi when they stand for:

Pro business
Tough on crime
Tough on immigration
Anti big government
Brexit
Strong on defence
Socially conservative (small c)

These are basic Tory values. I do hope that the party now splits the liberals can join up with Lib Dems or Labour and the rump of the Tories should merge with Reform giving the voters a proper choice.

Hang on, you're sounding like Goergenorman now. Everything left of you does not = revolutionary communist. The last I checked, "left hand side of the Tories" = centrist right.

And the last BBC dream team was Abbott + Portillo (I've just got that!). Not very comedic but, notwithstanding your inevitable divergence with Portillo, you cannot say Miguel would be comfortable in the Labour Party just through the osmosis of making a programme with Ms Abacus?

Sunak accused of ‘desperate’ tactics with ‘don’t surrender to Labour’ poster of child with hands up.

At the 'debate' an obnoxious interrupting little pr*ck.

Could lose his seat apparently.

I don't know how we will cope.

Companies linked to Conservative donors have collectively received £8.4bn in public money since 2016, more than 150 times what the party has received in support.

Government spending and political donation records reveal that key contributors have given £53.7m to the Tory party since January 2015, while controlling firms that have received billions in government and NHS contracts over eight years.

Obviously you should not permit political donations from donors who are bidding for public contracts, the US and key EU countries don't, but we do.

No two people are political copies but there are lots of social conservatives on Hol and George and I number amongst them.

Early Portillo wasn't what we see today. Early Portillo would fit into a socially conservative party because that was the party he joined. Portillo bends with the wind, so to speak.....If I remember correctly the most important areas for him are economics and defence and he's less bothered with the cultural aspect.

You seem to apt WE's idea that the Tories don't have a left wing.....I'm sorry but I just find the idea that any party, Tory, Labour or otherwise doesn't have a spectrum larger than two position points as.....well, just not accurate.

Now I don't know if I'm out of touch or something but when last I remember the left wing of the Tory party is the right wing of the Labour party....or in other words 'Blairism'.

The fact is that the left of the Tory party took it over once Cameron won the leadership and filtered out most social conservatives for social liberals like Stewart.....but that doesn't disguise the reality that sticking liberals into the Tory party does not make them 'centralists'.....They are still wet my man.

Thankfully the rule of social liberals in the Tories looks like it's on a timer.

Now the left of the Tories might want to brand themselves as 'centralists', because for some reason they think that makes them sound mainstream.....but sorry, old 'willo the wisp' Rory Stewart's form of limp Blairism isn't and and didn't fool anybody.

His party is the company he keeps.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jun 2024 3.44pm)