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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 Jun 23 3.08pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

There is very little chance that any possible future lockdown would be adhered to by the public.

Which is why the messaging and the management would need to be ramped up. If they are needed, they will work.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 09 Jun 23 3.13pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Which is why the messaging and the management would need to be ramped up. If they are needed, they will work.

But after three vaccinations each they're not needed. If you choose to lock yourself away then fine, no one is stopping you.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 Jun 23 3.22pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

Boris had the right idea at the start. No lockdown just keep calm and carry on and the herd immunity will take care of it self.

But his lord and masters, those in the background and the WEF had alternative agendas. Money was to be made by the elites!

He knew it was all joke like most sane people but I felt his hands were tied.

Anyways its all done and dusted now and the masks have well and truly slipped on people. They have showed that we arnt far off being communist, fascist and totalitarian states. At least Russia, north korea and china dont try to hide what they are which is what the west mostly does.

What a total load of bunkum. There is lot posted here but that comment stands head and shoulders above most. Herd immunity as a solution was quickly ruled out as impractical.

 


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eaglesdare Flag 09 Jun 23 3.29pm Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What a total load of bunkum. There is lot posted here but that comment stands head and shoulders above most. Herd immunity as a solution was quickly ruled out as impractical.

Just have to agree to disagree yet again.

We ended up going with herd immunity anyway. And it was the solution

Edited by eaglesdare (09 Jun 2023 3.30pm)

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 09 Jun 23 3.56pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What you said was:-

"The lockdowns made no difference in the longer term. That was stated at the time."

Not "will make". "Made". You were claiming fact, not speculation.

The totally discredited "Great Barrington Declaration" was not published until after the pandemic was over as a retrospective analysis. Such things are only being attempted now. It was published early as red meat for the right. Something people like you continue to chew on even though it's years past its use-by date and full of mouldy ideas.

My politics have nothing to do with preferring to accept the consensus view of health authorities all over the world rather than those with a political axe to grind. Everyone knew that lockdowns cause damage, cost and pain, so should be kept as short as possible. When every answer is costly the real question is which is the least bad option. Possible mass death levels or economic and social hardships?

All you care about is yourself and it's quite transparent.

The GBD was never discredited and it's been shown to be correct all along.

You on the other hand....as far as I can tell....couldn't get something right in a 'spot the elephant' contest held in a zoo full of chimps.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 09 Jun 23 7.18pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Dr Campbell on fact checking.

[Link]

 


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eaglesdare Flag 09 Jun 23 7.44pm Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

Have just seen Simon jordons interview with mat le tissier. Very good. And from minute 47 is a good listen.

[Link]

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 Jun 23 10.51pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

Just have to agree to disagree yet again.

We ended up going with herd immunity anyway. And it was the solution

Edited by eaglesdare (09 Jun 2023 3.30pm)

Herd immunity was always the solution. It only depended on how and when it was achieved.

Until the vaccines were developed and given to sufficient people it was never the solution. Especially as more transmissible variants emerged. Assuming that herd immunity would be achieved just by not doing anything was a stupid idea. We needed the vaccines to be freely available first. So another answer was needed to hold the line until they were. Hence the lockdowns.

It's not difficult to understand.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 Jun 23 11.01pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

All you care about is yourself and it's quite transparent.

The GBD was never discredited and it's been shown to be correct all along.

You on the other hand....as far as I can tell....couldn't get something right in a 'spot the elephant' contest held in a zoo full of chimps.

Of course, it was discredited and has never been shown to be correct. It was always a stupid idea and hindsight does nothing to improve its reputation. You might to read this. It was generated by "Chat GPT" an open AI source, which seems to be rather more intelligent than you:-

Lack of scientific consensus: The declaration's recommendations are not supported by a broad consensus within the scientific and public health communities. Many experts argue that the proposed strategy of focused protection, where only vulnerable individuals are shielded while allowing the virus to spread among the younger population, would lead to a significant loss of life and overwhelming strain on healthcare systems.

Infeasibility of protecting only vulnerable populations: The idea of effectively shielding vulnerable individuals while allowing the virus to spread widely is challenging to implement in practice. It is difficult to accurately identify and completely isolate all vulnerable individuals, especially in highly interconnected communities. This strategy could lead to unintended consequences and significant collateral damage.

Risk of overwhelming healthcare systems: Allowing the virus to spread widely among the younger population can still lead to a substantial number of severe cases and hospitalizations. This approach could quickly overwhelm healthcare systems, making it difficult to provide adequate care not only for COVID-19 patients but also for those with other medical conditions.

Ethical concerns: The Great Barrington Declaration's approach raises ethical concerns. Implementing a strategy that knowingly allows a virus with severe consequences to spread unchecked could lead to unnecessary suffering and loss of life. Protecting vulnerable populations solely through isolation may also have detrimental effects on their mental health and overall well-being.

Insufficient evidence: The declaration lacks a robust evidence base to support its claims. The proposed strategy is based on assumptions that the virus will only cause severe illness in older individuals and that long-term immunity is easily achieved. However, the scientific understanding of COVID-19 has evolved, and evidence suggests that the virus can cause severe illness and long-term complications in individuals across various age groups.

It's important to note that these criticisms are not exhaustive, and they reflect the concerns raised by many experts in the field. Public health organizations, such as the World Health Organization, have emphasized the need for comprehensive strategies that combine vaccination, widespread testing, contact tracing, and adherence to preventive measures like mask-wearing and social distancing to effectively control the spread of COVID-19.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 Jun 23 11.04pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Dr Campbell on fact checking.

[Link]

Does he explain why his previous video was taken down?

Perhaps because when the facts were checked, they weren't facts?

 


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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 10 Jun 23 12.09am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

That's ironic coming from someone who constantly treats their beliefs and opinions as facts.

And that's a fact

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 10 Jun 23 12.20am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

That's ironic coming from someone who constantly treats their beliefs and opinions as facts.

And that's a fact

Facts are facts. And that isn't one. It's an opinion.

 


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