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DanH SW2 27 Mar 21 8.14am | |
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The BDS is so strong in this thread.
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Belmont 27 Mar 21 8.45am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
They should be arrested for making death threats let alone covid rules. Yep agreed, but what is the answer to my question or is it because they treated them the same you don't have an answer?
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Belmont 27 Mar 21 8.57am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I don't dodge questions, not reasonably ones anyway....You get lots of questions that involve research which is just work on an opinion forum. I've been down the research route multiple times and its pointless. For example, I proven points about crime rates and population rates and all you get is denial....So really you end up putting in the work for nothing. So I've come to the conclusion that unless you know the poster and have time for them it's just a way of wasting your time. I'm not saying that's you and you saw that I did respond with links. You were partly right to say I had a couple of them saved from previous but two of them were quickly available from just looking. So as you're polite I looked.Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Mar 2021 10.39am) In truth I haven't read the links you sent but I will, but I did click on them and at the very least the titles made me uncomfortable. They indeed may support your view of anti White racism but such a small sample size for me doesn't support a stereotype of the whole of left wing media, I'm sure you have seen more but I haven't personally. Originally posted by Stirlingsays
My point about you 'dancing on a pin' is a reference to your tendency (from what I've seen on posts) to make a claim about racism and then sit on the fence to any counter reference.Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Mar 2021 10.39am) Based on my assumption that you mean I will engage in debate on racism on one side of the debate but not comment on what you would call anti white racism. In the cold light of day looking at my post history I could see why you could come to that conclusion and that is fair enough, But this could be true of you and the vast majority of posters on this subject, I tend to pick on posts that to me are hypocritical. But my view on the counter reference is it's as bad as any other. Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Do I regard this as kosher? Well, when you appeared on this thread it was to agree with Watson's detractors that he had 'cherry picked' evidence. You didn't for example choose to agree with anything he said or make a point about the leftist media and anti white racism. Hence your general priority of stance on this matter appears reasonably straight forward to me.....You are obviously free to object to those observations.Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Mar 2021 10.39am) Regarding the Watson video I basically watched the whole thing through and taken on face value you could believe that the reporting of the shootings was unfairly slanted towards having a racial motive. But I because he had included quotes from the FBI director I did a quick Google search and realised that other agencies involved in the investigation had also given a view on motive. Just looking at those links I posted that in my opinion he was absolutely slanting it in the direction he wanted. I could have taken a quote from the second link I posted arguing it was racially motivated and ranted on a video for 15 minutes would that have been accurate and fair, nope. Unless he can give a balanced view I'm basically not going to form an opinion. Originally posted by Stirlingsays
On other threads, if I remember correctly, you have also posted in contention against crime rates and groups and yesterday you seemed to be highlighting racial sensitivity to any criticism regarding blacks....some of which is maybe racial but I don't have a window into men's souls so I mostly stayed out of it.Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Mar 2021 10.39am) If you were referring to the discussion on stereotyping I didn't actually oppose the crime figures in any way in fact I posted in that thread that I hadn't denied that those figures were true and I still don't. The general principle of what I was saying was, is it fair to stereotype a whole community based on statistics, I could produce stats on how Black people are treated by police when arrested or when in custody, would it then be fair to stereotype the whole of the police force to a man or woman as institutionally racist, nope. Originally posted by Stirlingsays But what that showed to me was that you're happy to accept a low threshold on what would be thought as 'racism'.....again, these are my asked for observations and you are free to object.Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Mar 2021 10.39am)
Do I have a low threshold on racism, well in truth I have a low tolerance of one sided stereotyping and what I see as hypocrisy. Do I see those as one in the same thing, well stereotyping could sow the seeds of viewing people as less than you but my view on that is too much for me to write here Originally posted by Stirlingsays As for my position on 'racism' it's probably closer to Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali's view in the sixties and seventies. I don't believe that multiculturalism or integration works well in unfiltered environments and ultimately ends in ethnic repression and surveillance against the groups the elites don't favour......Repression and surveillance isn't something that is required in homogeneous societies and hence is evidence that it doesn't work naturally. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Mar 2021 10.39am)
So your view on this hasn't evolved from the views people had when segregation was rife in 60s America? Also I'm not saying this is true in this case, but the amount of times you here of discussions on racism against black people and someone trots out a prominent black person who has the same view as if it legitimises what they are saying Originally posted by Stirlingsays
So you might ask why I focus upon anti white racism as my position is that racism is natural and inevitable. My answer to that is that I attack double standards that pretend to believe in equality and egalitarianism when in reality they are just as biased and one sided as the people they attack. That's the important thing for me....whether something is honest or not. So I'll attack a media which is essentially far left and pushing critical race theory because it claims it's not racist when in reality it's anti white and fundamentally dishonest. This movement uses the gains it achieved under 'equality' (which is anti meritocratic) and now pushes for 'equity' (even more anti meritocratic). This is the type of media that Watson attacks and I'm happy to endorse it.Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Mar 2021 10.39am) So on this point you are saying you aren't as biased and one sided as the people you attack, honestly in my view that doesn't come across, but of course that is only my opinion and you are obviously free to challenge that view Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I could write pages on this topic but you asked me for my observations on what I regarded as your position and I gave you some basic general motivations of where I am on the topic of 'racism'. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Mar 2021 10.39am)
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steeleye20 Croydon 27 Mar 21 9.05am | |
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Long queues of black voters now being denied food and water. Quite amazing its like going back to before when civil rights started. Hopefully Biden will step on this with a voters' rights bill or executive orders.
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Badger11 Beckenham 27 Mar 21 9.47am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Long queues of black voters now being denied food and water. Quite amazing its like going back to before when civil rights started. Hopefully Biden will step on this with a voters' rights bill or executive orders.
I thought the voter id clause referred to postal ballots so that should not impact queues. The Democrats fighting this unless confirms the suspicions that they benefit from voter fraud. They would be better arguing as I do above more checks but more staff and polling stations. As for food and drink that could be seen as electoral bribery and if there weren't long queues then that goes away.
Edited by Badger11 (27 Mar 2021 9.48am)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Mar 21 9.57am | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
TBF you spent years having digs at and blaming Trump. Now the boot is on the other foot, seems only fair for those that wish, to have a dig at Biden. Let’s be honest, he is in the habit of leaving himself open to this at the moment If it makes people feel better then fair enough but it's pretty pointless. There were really serious criticisms of Trump and for many people Biden has already done what was expected of him. He got him out of the WH and that's enough. Once the spectre of Trump and Trumpism has faded and politics has returned to normality and decency Biden will go. That probably means Harris for a while and then maybe back to a GOP POTUS. Just so long as they are a proper politician with a grasp of how the world and international co-operation works.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Mar 21 10.10am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Hmmm the Democrats were outraged that President Trump dared to interfere in how the states ran their election process, each state is responsible for it's rules. Biden is now moaning that the democratically elected state legislature of Georgia is changing the rules mainly to ensure that people who vote are who they say they are. And it's not just Georgia many other states are looking to do the same. I don't see the problem myself then again if you are not legally entitled to vote you might be a tad upset. Trump having an opinion on how the States ran their elections was fine. He is entitled to it. That was never the issue. It was him attempting to directly interfere that was. Biden is just as entitled to an opinion on any proposed changes and to ask the Justice Department to look at whether they are constitutional. What he cannot do and hasn't done is attempt to directly interfere. Congress could also take action to try to find some way of ensuring that the same rules apply everywhere. Which seems sensible to me when you are having a national election but this is the USA where much of the system doesn't appear to be fit for purpose in a modern country.
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Badger11 Beckenham 27 Mar 21 10.58am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Trump having an opinion on how the States ran their elections was fine. He is entitled to it. That was never the issue. It was him attempting to directly interfere that was. Biden is just as entitled to an opinion on any proposed changes and to ask the Justice Department to look at whether they are constitutional. What he cannot do and hasn't done is attempt to directly interfere. Congress could also take action to try to find some way of ensuring that the same rules apply everywhere. Which seems sensible to me when you are having a national election but this is the USA where much of the system doesn't appear to be fit for purpose in a modern country. Agreed but as I hinted in my post the states are very jealous of their rights and will fight any federal oversight / laws so I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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Badger11 Beckenham 27 Mar 21 12.14pm | |
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Another lot of politicians throwing the police under a bus. Good luck getting recruits for the NYPD.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 27 Mar 21 12.15pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Long queues of black voters now being denied food and water. Quite amazing its like going back to before when civil rights started. Hopefully Biden will step on this with a voters' rights bill or executive orders. How are they 'denied' anything? They could bring their own or send someone to the shop. This shows how spin can be put on anything. If the headline was 'Voters stupidly forget to bring water as they wait in heat to vote' would you have complained then?
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 27 Mar 21 12.16pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
The BDS is so strong in this thread. That made me laugh. Biden would probably laugh too - if it wouldn't give him a stroke.
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georgenorman 27 Mar 21 1.18pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Long queues of black voters now being denied food and water. Quite amazing its like going back to before when civil rights started. Hopefully Biden will step on this with a voters' rights bill or executive orders. Biden calls a few changes to voting procedures 'an atrocity'. Perhaps he should invest in a dictionary.
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