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JohnyBoy 19 May 16 7.02pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt I'm not sure that HM Treasury can be relied upon as a disinterested source, especially as, historically, they don't have a particularly impressive track record in their forecasts. I'd view any info from a Government source with considerable suspicion. Again you are welcome to believe what you want cucking, i do that too all the time but at the same time if there was a blazing fire and they told you it was all fine and safe to return, i'm sure you would be the first to criticise them when you got burned. The treasury has still got the most information on the uk economy with departments dedicated to 'as accurate as possible' forecasts, it would surely be foolish to dismiss them out of hand
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19 May 16 7.02pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

I'm not sure that HM Treasury can be relied upon as a disinterested source, especially as, historically, they don't have a particularly impressive track record in their forecasts.

I'd view any info from a Government source with considerable suspicion.

Again you are welcome to believe what you want cucking, i do that too all the time but at the same time if there was a blazing fire and they told you it was all fine and safe to return, i'm sure you would be the first to criticise them when you got burned.
The treasury has still got the most information on the uk economy with departments dedicated to 'as accurate as possible' forecasts, it would surely be foolish to dismiss them out of hand

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 19 May 16 7.04pm
Originally posted by JohnyBoy I am an economist actually, and its a simple sum, i've stated which sources i used....what you choose to believe is up to you but if i were you i would be very wary of leave propoganda So information from the Remain camp is 'statistics' but if it originates from the Brexit side it's 'propaganda'? Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 19 May 16 7.04pm

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

I am an economist actually, and its a simple sum, i've stated which sources i used....what you choose to believe is up to you but if i were you i would be very wary of leave propoganda

So information from the Remain camp is 'statistics' but if it originates from the Brexit side it's 'propaganda'?

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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JohnyBoy 19 May 16 7.18pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt So information from the Remain camp is 'statistics' but if it originates from the Brexit side it's 'propaganda'? It is propoganda when they use "350m more spent on the Nhs" because they know 350m sounds like a hell of a lot of money to average Joe, and the nhs is emotionally important but when it doesnt put the figure into context i.e less than 1% of gov spending or what the cost of exit would be e.g 1.2b pw then it does become misleading propoganda
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19 May 16 7.18pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

So information from the Remain camp is 'statistics' but if it originates from the Brexit side it's 'propaganda'?

It is propoganda when they use "350m more spent on the Nhs" because they know 350m sounds like a hell of a lot of money to average Joe, and the nhs is emotionally important but when it doesnt put the figure into context i.e less than 1% of gov spending or what the cost of exit would be e.g 1.2b pw then it does become misleading propoganda

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becky over the moon 19 May 16 7.22pm
Originally posted by JohnyBoy The euro is very different with respect Willo. There was never a consensus (as the leave campaign seem to be suggesting) that we should join, infact i remember the BofE was against joining, at the time being criticised as having a conflict of interest as it would have also taken away monetary policy from the MPC, which is its main function. I recall that the politicians were split and said it would only be considered if 5 key economic conditions were met, one of which was fiscal and monetary discipline including public deficits by euro members i.e. it was never gonna happen. Businesses and economists were similarly split, but imo i think this is a smokescreen, we are not in the euro, we have control of our own monetary policy, we will not be required to bail out Greece or any euro member should they need it and there is little chance of that changing over the long term. Not through being part of the Eurozone, I agree, but we ARE bailing them (and everyone else in trouble) out through member ship of the IMF - same horse, different colour! A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 19 May 16 7.22pm

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

The euro is very different with respect Willo. There was never a consensus (as the leave campaign seem to be suggesting) that we should join, infact i remember the BofE was against joining, at the time being criticised as having a conflict of interest as it would have also taken away monetary policy from the MPC, which is its main function. I recall that the politicians were split and said it would only be considered if 5 key economic conditions were met, one of which was fiscal and monetary discipline including public deficits by euro members i.e. it was never gonna happen.
Businesses and economists were similarly split, but imo i think this is a smokescreen, we are not in the euro, we have control of our own monetary policy, we will not be required to bail out Greece or any euro member should they need it and there is little chance of that changing over the long term.

Not through being part of the Eurozone, I agree, but we ARE bailing them (and everyone else in trouble) out through member ship of the IMF - same horse, different colour!

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 19 May 16 7.26pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt So information from the Remain camp is 'statistics' but if it originates from the Brexit side it's 'propaganda'? The Remain camp are using scare stories too, like the one about Europe going to war. Now while I agree that the EU has probably helpedkeep the peace between France and Germany but how us leaving is going to start a war is beyond me.
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Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 19 May 16 7.26pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

So information from the Remain camp is 'statistics' but if it originates from the Brexit side it's 'propaganda'?

The Remain camp are using scare stories too, like the one about Europe going to war. Now while I agree that the EU has probably helpedkeep the peace between France and Germany but how us leaving is going to start a war is beyond me.

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legaleagle 19 May 16 7.35pm
No war if we leave,agreed. But,undoubtedly,there are still flashpoints in Europe where war is possible (and horrendous atrocities happened not too long ago) and EU membership (or the carrot of it) helps in reducing that as a possibility;ie former Yugoslavia. So,in that sense the bigger and stronger a united EU setting an example,the better... In terms of security,it would seem there is a good argument EU membership is beneficial to mutual cooperation/liaison but its not the case it would disappear completely if we left.
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19 May 16 7.35pm

No war if we leave,agreed.

But,undoubtedly,there are still flashpoints in Europe where war is possible (and horrendous atrocities happened not too long ago) and EU membership (or the carrot of it) helps in reducing that as a possibility;ie former Yugoslavia.

So,in that sense the bigger and stronger a united EU setting an example,the better...

In terms of security,it would seem there is a good argument EU membership is beneficial to mutual cooperation/liaison but its not the case it would disappear completely if we left.

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DivingIsNotGood se25 19 May 16 7.42pm
Originally posted by JohnyBoy I am an economist actually, and its a simple sum, i've stated which sources i used....what you choose to believe is up to you but if i were you i would be very wary of leave propoganda I do not believe 1.2billion percent that the UK would be 1.2bn net better off a week. We are already thousands worse off than we were 20 years ago with the rise in the cost of living, wage freezes. In or out of Europe we are going to see over the next 10 years an almighty financial and housing crash. It will be blamed on exiting Europe but google people such as Damian McBride, William White, James Lovelock, Mark Carney, and you'll see it's already past the point of no return. Search and research and you will see we are heading for extremely tough times both finically and for mankind whether we are in or out of the eu VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again
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se25 19 May 16 7.42pm

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

I am an economist actually, and its a simple sum, i've stated which sources i used....what you choose to believe is up to you but if i were you i would be very wary of leave propoganda

I do not believe 1.2billion percent that the UK would be 1.2bn net better off a week. We are already thousands worse off than we were 20 years ago with the rise in the cost of living, wage freezes.
In or out of Europe we are going to see over the next 10 years an almighty financial and housing crash. It will be blamed on exiting Europe but google people such as Damian McBride, William White, James Lovelock, Mark Carney, and you'll see it's already past the point of no return. Search and research and you will see we are heading for extremely tough times both finically and for mankind whether we are in or out of the eu

VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

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DivingIsNotGood se25 19 May 16 7.48pm
Originally posted by legaleagle No war if we leave,agreed. But,undoubtedly,there are still flashpoints in Europe where war is possible (and horrendous atrocities happened not too long ago) and EU membership (or the carrot of it) helps in reducing that as a possibility;ie former Yugoslavia. So,in that sense the bigger and stronger a united EU setting an example,the better... In terms of security,it would seem there is a good argument EU membership is beneficial to mutual cooperation/liaison but its not the case it would disappear completely if we left. How did the EU combat these terrorist networks operating across EU borders that have carried out two large-scale terrorist attacks on European capitals within months of each other, highlighting the weaknesses of both domestic and international intelligence services? What security VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again
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se25 19 May 16 7.48pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

No war if we leave,agreed.

So,in that sense the bigger and stronger a united EU setting an example,the better...

In terms of security,it would seem there is a good argument EU membership is beneficial to mutual cooperation/liaison but its not the case it would disappear completely if we left.

How did the EU combat these terrorist networks operating across EU borders that have carried out two large-scale terrorist attacks on European capitals within months of each other, highlighting the weaknesses of both domestic and international intelligence services? What security

VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

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JohnyBoy 19 May 16 8.01pm
Originally posted by becky Not through being part of the Eurozone, I agree, but we ARE bailing them (and everyone else in trouble) out through member ship of the IMF - same horse, different colour! And a different referendum or does brexit mean we will be leaving the imf?
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19 May 16 8.01pm

Originally posted by becky

Not through being part of the Eurozone, I agree, but we ARE bailing them (and everyone else in trouble) out through member ship of the IMF - same horse, different colour!

And a different referendum or does brexit mean we will be leaving the imf?

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JohnyBoy 19 May 16 8.07pm
Originally posted by fed up eagle The Remain camp are using scare stories too, like the one about Europe going to war. Now while I agree that the EU has probably helpedkeep the peace between France and Germany but how us leaving is going to start a war is beyond me. I do agree with you on this one, implying impending war was OTT and i think backfired on the remain campaign....although the principle that inderdependent trading nations has helped forge 70 years of european peace and prosperity (the longest since roman times) i do believe
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19 May 16 8.07pm

Originally posted by fed up eagle

I do agree with you on this one, implying impending war was OTT and i think backfired on the remain campaign....although the principle that inderdependent trading nations has helped forge 70 years of european peace and prosperity (the longest since roman times) i do believe

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JohnyBoy 19 May 16 8.11pm
Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood I do not believe 1.2billion percent that the UK would be 1.2bn net better off a week. We are already thousands worse off than we were 20 years ago with the rise in the cost of living, wage freezes. In or out of Europe we are going to see over the next 10 years an almighty financial and housing crash. It will be blamed on exiting Europe but google people such as Damian McBride, William White, James Lovelock, Mark Carney, and you'll see it's already past the point of no return. Search and research and you will see we are heading for extremely tough times both finically and for mankind whether we are in or out of the eu I agree we will see a housing market correction at some point, as for the rest of your forecasts, we will agree to differ
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19 May 16 8.11pm

Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood

I agree we will see a housing market correction at some point, as for the rest of your forecasts, we will agree to differ

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becky over the moon 19 May 16 8.30pm
As a slightly different take on the issue, projections, 'facts' and figures aside, ask yourself this question....... imagining that the situation was reversed and we were voting to join the EU or not, based on what we actually KNOW about the organisation, it's operations and organisation, it's waste and unaccountability, would you vote to join or stay out? It may help some of the undecided among you to take another look at the situation from a different perspective. A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 19 May 16 8.30pm

As a slightly different take on the issue, projections, 'facts' and figures aside, ask yourself this question.......

imagining that the situation was reversed and we were voting to join the EU or not, based on what we actually KNOW about the organisation, it's operations and organisation, it's waste and unaccountability, would you vote to join or stay out?

It may help some of the undecided among you to take another look at the situation from a different perspective.

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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